The Problem With Evolution- Part 1, Ape to Man Ridiculousness

[The Barbarian]

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

Now there is microevolution, which is real and happens at every birth, but it is very limited within a kind

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

There is none of that, but a lot of people who don't want God in the picture want to believe all that.  Why side with them as a believer, especially when they have not observed any of it?

It's all been observed.  Pick one and I'll show you.

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

but a lot of people who don't want God in the picture want to believe all that.

That's wrong.   Many knowledgeable people who love God acknowledge the observed fact of evolution:
 

A line has been drawn between faith and science. But must we choose either one or the other in order to find answers to our deeply held questions?

https://biologos.org/

Why oppose them as a believer when macroevolution has been directly observed?

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

Now there is microevolution, which is real and happens at every birth, but it is very limited within a kind

As you see, "kind" includes a group as diverse as bats and birds.   

So that would be far above mere macroevolution:

 

[The Barbarian]

As I showed you, Biblical "kind" puts bats and birds in the same kind.   Pretty much all vertebrates would then be a kind.   

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

So birds can produce bats?

And yet scripture says they are the same kind.    Which shows us that the Biblical use of "kind" is a description of function, not a biological category.

Which means we cannot use it to classify animals according to ancestry.

 

[The Barbarian]

I can't think of a parable that isn't a narrative, like Genesis 1-3.   

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Jesus spoke in parables for specific reasons...

And you don't think God gave us Genesis 1-3 for specific reasons?

The word parable comes from the Greek and means comparison, analogy or juxtaposition. A parable is a type of narrative with an emotive or moral significance which initiates comparison.

https://ncec.catholic.edu.au/faith/scripture-resources/foundations/key-biblical-understandings/what-is-a-parable/

You misunderstand what is meant by narratives which are stories.    Most of them have a specific purpose, as in the creation account and other parables.

Your man-made classifications are not in the Bible; they are merely things made up to make it read a particular way.

 

[Sparks]

46 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

I can't think of a parable that isn't a narrative, like Genesis 1-3.   

And you don't think God gave us Genesis 1-3 for specific reasons?

The word parable comes from the Greek and means comparison, analogy or juxtaposition. A parable is a type of narrative with an emotive or moral significance which initiates comparison.

https://ncec.catholic.edu.au/faith/scripture-resources/foundations/key-biblical-understandings/what-is-a-parable/

You misunderstand what is meant by narratives which are stories.    Most of them have a specific purpose, as in the creation account and other parables.

Your man-made classifications are not in the Bible; they are merely things made up to make it read a particular way.

The specific narratives of the Bible are:

Genesis
Exodus
Numbers
Joshua
Judges
Samuel
Kings
Chronicles
Ruth
Ester
Ezra
Nehemiah
The Gospels
... and Acts

A parable is a story, but it is not one of the Biblical narratives, and Jesus is the only one who used parables.  Genesis was not one of His parables.

Go check out Matthew 13 to see the explanation of parables, by Jesus.

Have we ever agreed on anything, ever? 

P.S.  I am not a Catholic, and I don't adhere to their teachings.

[The Barbarian]

46 minutes ago, Sparks said:

A parable is a story, but it is not one of the Biblical narratives, and Jesus is the only one who used parables.

 Ezekial 17:3 for example.   I am sure there are others.

48 minutes ago, Sparks said:

P.S.  I am not a Catholic, and I don't adhere to their teachings.

Doesn't matter.   Everything in the revised Bibles is also in Catholic Bibles.

Ezekiel 17:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:

⁴ He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.

⁵ He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.

⁶ And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.

⁷ There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.

⁸ It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine.

⁹ Say thou, Thus saith the Lord God; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.

¹⁰ Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew.

[FJK]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

It's not surprising; the parable of creation seems to get the same lack of attention.    But of course most Christians know better than to suggest that creationists "don't want God in the picture."

Matthew 7:13-14  "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

It's pretty easy to know which path you are on, is it the one with the most or the fewest people on it?

Don't worry about what others are and doing and believing and where they are going, worry about what you are since it is your life, your destiny and your eternity and you will be the one living it not someone else.

We all got to walk that lonesome valley by ourself.

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, FJK said:

It's pretty easy to know which path you are on, is it the one with the most or the fewest people on it?

Most people oppose rape and murder.    I don't think your metric applies to a lot of things.

2 hours ago, FJK said:

Don't worry about what others are and doing and believing and where they are going, worry about what you are since it is your life, your destiny and your eternity and you will be the one living it not someone else.

Which is why I encourage people to focus on the things Jesus told us would save us, not on how much evolution God uses in His creation.

 

[RV_Wizard]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Which is why I encourage people to focus on the things Jesus told us would save us, not on how much evolution God uses in His creation.

He didn't use evolution in His creation.  He created the heavens, the earth and everything in it in six days, as He later acknowledged in the Forth Commandment.  He created man in His own image.  Man knows that evil is wrong because Adam learned the knowledge of good and evil; and thus the consequence of our actions.

This is the celebrated anniversary of the arrival of Jesus Christ on the earth.  He came to be the blood sacrifice for the sins of man.  Whosoever believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life.  Jesus believed in and taught from the Scriptures.  He rebuked the devil by quoting Scriptures.  Such a strong weapon against evil would not be strong if the Scriptures were not accurate.  Even Satan knows that the word of God is truth, despite the lies he tells people.

Satan claims that man was not created by God in His own image.  When you preach the doctrine of evolution you are teaching the lies of Satan and are giving it sovereignty over the word of God.

[The Barbarian]

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

He didn't use evolution in His creation. 

I know you wish He hadn't.   But it turns out that evolutionary processes are more efficient for complex processes than design.  It's why engineers have been using Darwinian evolution for very difficult problems.   God knew best, after all.

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

He created man in His own image.

The image is in our minds and souls.  God doesn't have eyebrows or toes.   Jesus says that God is a spirit, and He says a spirit has no physical body.

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

This is the celebrated anniversary of the arrival of Jesus Christ on the earth.

Then focus on that which saves, and stop stewing about the way He does things.

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Satan claims that man was not created by God in His own image.

Sounds like another creationist addition to scripture.  Show us.

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

When you preach the doctrine of evolution you are teaching the lies of Satan and are giving it sovereignty over the word of God.

How sad that you have to make up such falsehoods to shore up your belief in your new doctrines.

 

[RV_Wizard]

14 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I know you wish He hadn't.   But it turns out that evolutionary processes are more efficient for complex processes than design.

The post isn't breaking for me today, so I'll have to do this another way.  For me, God would still be an incredible God had he formed everything over billions of years.  However, this is NOT what the Bible teaches.  The Bible teaches that God created the universe and all that is in it in six days.  The Fourth Commandment is based on the six day creation,  Jesus confirmed that all Scripture is God breathed, so from the finger of God and the lips of God the world was created in six days.  Man was created in God's image on day six.

God never does things the easy way.  He rains down fire AFTER a hill is soaked in water.  He comes to earth born of  Virgin.  He heals the sick and raises the dead with a simple command.  He still comes into people's lives and He turns wicked hearts to Godly hearts.

He also brought back Jonah after three days in the belly of the "great fish."  This you probably don't believe, since like every other miracle it's impossible.  However, Jonah wasn't alive in the belly of the fish.  He was dead.  His spirit was in Shoel.  

What is more efficient is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and to read God's word with an open heart.  Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you.  Go to a good fundamentalist church and learn what the words of the Bible actually mean.  You are spouting foolishness that Satan originated and non-believers have taught you as truth.  Education without truth is indoctrination.