Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.56 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) Matthew 24:13 he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved I wonder what Jesus thinks of what He said being considered untrue??? Will be saved is what the Lord is speaking of here... if we are going to be in the group that "will be saved" then we'd better heed His warning and endure unto the end! Edited September 23, 2023 by Stan Murff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 72 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,238 Content Per Day: 7.09 Reputation: 13,245 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2023 Salvation, sanctification, and deliverance. That's how I look at it, @Vine Abider. We were saved when we came to Jesus Christ. We are being sanctified, conformed to His image by the Spirit of the Lord from glory to glory, entering His kingdom through much tribulation and the fiery trial. We are being saved. We are delivered from this body which is perishing when our appointed time has come. One might say that we will be saved from the corruptible. Just my thoughts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,309 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,513 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 John 5:11 (KJV) [11] And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [12] He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. [13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and The GREEK PERFECT is understood as: the type of action is viewed as a whole which is concluded, not as on-going or as an analysis of its particulars. (from Wheeler's Greek Syntax Notes, Copyright © 1985-2002 by Rev. Dale M. Wheeler, Ph.D. All rights reserved. Used by Permission.) that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. We can know because God cannot lie... so when people say we cannot know just tell them what God has said... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,472 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,323 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stan Murff said: None of us are saved yet... only those that have passed from this life and are currently in the presence of the Lord are actually saved cause they made it! Matthew 24:13 he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved For clarification, this verse in Matthew 24:13 is in the midst of Jesus' speaking about the great tribulation. Those that persevere in that period will be saved. 2 hours ago, Vine Abider said: Too far and not true. This is missing a very clear concept of progressive salvation in the New Testament - we have been saved; we are being saved; and we will be saved. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 2 hours ago, Stan Murff said: Matthew 24:13 he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved I wonder what Jesus thinks of what He said being considered untrue??? Will be saved is what the Lord is speaking of here... if we are going to be in the group that "will be saved" then we'd better heed His warning and endure unto the end! Of course this was referring to what you said: "None of us are saved yet... only those that have passed from this life and are currently in the presence of the Lord are actually saved cause they made it!" And you didn't address this verse: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 2 hours ago, Marathoner said: Salvation, sanctification, and deliverance. That's how I look at it, @Vine Abider. We were saved when we came to Jesus Christ. We are being sanctified, conformed to His image by the Spirit of the Lord from glory to glory, entering His kingdom through much tribulation and the fiery trial. We are being saved. We are delivered from this body which is perishing when our appointed time has come. One might say that we will be saved from the corruptible. Just my thoughts. Marathoner has well said! The more complete view . . . Edited September 23, 2023 by Vine Abider Added comment on Matt 24 verse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 72 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,238 Content Per Day: 7.09 Reputation: 13,245 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2023 "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand." (Romans 14:4 NASB) The entire chapter is worth reading. Just as well, "Do not slander a slave to his master, or he will curse you and you will be found guilty." (Proverbs 30:10 NASB) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, Stan Murff said: None of us are saved yet... only those that have passed from this life and are currently in the presence of the Lord are actually saved cause they made it! Exactly. Whenever the NT says "you are saved", it doesn't mean the Lord has sent you an irrevocable ticket to Heaven - it merely means you've boarded the train and have begun the journey to salvation. Many people board that same train but get off before it reaches its final destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Marathoner said: We were saved when we came to Jesus Christ. When you come to Christ you receive the hope of being saved. You are saved only after you die, are judged by Christ and then granted eternal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,472 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,323 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Buzzard3 said: How do you know that you yourself have been "sealed" by the Holy Spirit? If you know you've been "sealed" by the Holy Spirit, when did that happen? At what point did you move from unsealed (so to speak) to sealed? Great question! When I cried out to Him in the pit of despair about 50 years ago, and His Spirit flooded me with various miraculous manifestations . . . and I was immediately brought into sweet fellowship with Him. A couple verses, that are hopefully helpful: In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise Ephesians 1:13 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, we also are in this world. 1 John 4:17 How about you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,472 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,323 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said: Exactly. Whenever the NT says "you are saved", it doesn't mean the Lord has sent you an irrevocable ticket to Heaven - it merely means you've boarded the train and have begun the journey to salvation. Many people board that same train but get off before it reaches its final destination. A train is an okay analogy, but not as good as what scripture gives us regarding our salvation, which is shown as a matter of life and relationship to living things: Seeds, plants & trees growing, birth, children, Father, etc. 47 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said: When you come to Christ you receive the hope of being saved. You are saved only after you die, are judged by Christ and then granted eternal life. You may have missed the sharing of this verse: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 Here's a short article on the subject of this ongoing salvation, found here:https://depree.org/you-have-been-saved-past-present-and-future/ Let me illustrate this by pointing to my own life experience. My salvation was earned in the past when Christ died for me on the cross. I received this salvation by faith when I went forward at a Billy Graham crusade in 1963. That also happened in the past. At that time, as a six-year-old boy, I had assurance that I would be saved in the future. But that is not the whole story. For the past fifty-five years, God has been graciously allowing me to experience more of his salvation as he has been bringing me into greater wholeness. Thus, I am able to say with gratitude that I was saved. I will be saved. I am saved. And I have been saved. You can say the same things about yourself if you are in Christ. Hallelujah! Edited September 23, 2023 by Vine Abider Added a response to "train" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted September 23, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,049 Content Per Day: 1.61 Reputation: 597 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Stan Murff said: Matthew 24:13 he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved I wonder what Jesus thinks of what He said being considered untrue??? Will be saved is what the Lord is speaking of here... if we are going to be in the group that "will be saved" then we'd better heed His warning and endure unto the end! What you are teaching is salvation by works, which scripture repeatedly condemns. If I am required to endure to the end, then I can boast about how I kept my own salvation. Then its NOT Christ alone, its Christ PLUS my own effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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