No man knows the things of God

[farouk]

21 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

What a cool picture of Christ given his own power over the enemy that nothing shall hurt them

Luke 10:19 Behold I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy:  and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

On the otherhand these are commanded not to hurt anything but those without the seal of God in their foreheads

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree;  but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

In the one power is given to one over the other with the assurance of "no hurt" to themselves, and in the other a picture of the limiting of power of them which are commanded "to hurt".

Not really surprised by it, afterall he commandeth the winds and waves and they obey him, I just think that its so cool!

Shows us that scorpions speak (says, be not afraid of "their words")

Ezek 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

Jesus says to these

Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Psalm 58:4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Psalm 140:3 They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips

Romans 3:3 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

How would you take one of those by the tail, taking them as by the tongue??

 
 

 

 

@AFlameOfFire Don't worry to much about posting Scriptures repeatedly; good to spend time in the Scriptures for personal profit and for the profit of others..........

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Thanks Sis.  If you look at the Law given to Moses the “sweet savour”had to do with the “offerings made by fire.”….

Numbers 28:6

It is a continual burnt offering, which was ordained in mount Sinai for a sweet savour, a sacrifice made by fire unto the Lord.”

 

Ephesians 5:2

And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us “an offering and a sacrifice”to God for a sweetsmelling savour.”

 

So Paul is using a phrase in the natural law to speak of spiritual things and of better sacrifices, as it pertained to the offerings made by fire.

 

It is like the offering of the calves of “our lips”….

 

Hosea 14:2

Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

 

The sweet smell of the spiritual offering of the prayers of the saints is also shown here..

 

Revelation 5:8

And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 8:3

And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Revelation 8:4

And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.”

 

So The natural law was a type and shadow of greater spiritual sacrifices to come.

 

Amen I agree with the types as we are built up a spiritual house, a house of prayer, and our prayer can be set before him as incense

Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written,

My house shall be called the house of prayer

Psalm 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

And in every place incense shall be offered unto my name,

The smoke of the same come with the prayers of the saints

Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Offering up spiritual sacrifices by Christ, God making manifest the savour of his knowlege by us "in every place"

In respects to springboarding of the tongue and the life and death by it, Paul speaks of the knowledge of Christ (the Truth) and is the savour of life (unto life) in those saved and death (unto death) in them that perish. And "in them" that perish is shown in two places, there and where the working error, or strong delusion is sent because they receive not a love for the truth that they might be saved. Was connecting the knowledge by them of Christ between both pictures and the mention of the two "in them that perish" between those two.  I just thought that was cool

I tried to repond to the other part of your post but I couldnt get the paragraphs to break so I will do it separately.

I agree with those types you posted, good job bro brb

 

 

 

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

30 minutes ago, farouk said:

@AFlameOfFire Don't worry to much about posting Scriptures repeatedly; good to spend time in the Scriptures for personal profit and for the profit of others..........

You know not what you say here I repeat a verse in a study sometimes 20 times trying to get a correct comparison in with others haha, I would drive you even more insane I posted how I studied things out. If a doctor was reading it I would likely be diagnosed with sort of inability to grasp something as is normal for most people, I am very weird in how I have to work things out (in order to get a grip on them) haha

[farouk]

3 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

You know not what you say here I repeat a verse in a study sometimes 20 times trying to get a correct comparison in with others haha, I would drive you even more insane I posted how I studied things out. If a doctor was reading it I would likely be diagnosed with sort of inability to grasp something as is normal for most people, I am very weird in how I have to work things out (in order to get a grip on them) haha

@AFlameOfFire Well..............Scripture does have so many different facets and aspects.......Bible study can be so rich and profitable.

[Stewardofthemystery]

33 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

In respects to springboarding of the tongue and the life and death by it, Paul speaks of the knowledge of Christ (the Truth) and is the savour of life (unto life) in those saved and death (unto death) in them that perish. And "in them" that perish is shown in two places, there and where the working error, or strong delusion is sent because they receive not a love for the truth that they might be saved. Was connecting the knowledge by them of Christ between both pictures and the mention of the two "in them that perish" between those two.  I just thought that was cool

I tried to repond to the other part of your post but I couldnt get the paragraphs to break so I will do it separately.

I agree with those types you posted, good job bro brb

 

 

 

 

Yes, Death works “in them”that perish because of sin.  But Life works in us because of The Lord Our Righteousness.

Notice what Paul says here…

Romans 7:5

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of “sins,”which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 7:13

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But “sin,” that it might appear “sin,” “working death in me”by that which is good; that “sin”by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

It is sin that works Death in them that perish.

 

When we get victory over “the mark”of sin, we also get victory over “the name”which is Death.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

 

I agree it is God who “let’s” or allows all these things to happen according to His will and purpose.  So that could be the “let” that makes the connection.

The one who is “taken out of the way,”has always been undecided for me.  I think it could be the Lord who removes the restraints out of the way, and so that Wicked one “in” them is revealed for all to see.

I see it like this, God is like a spiritual Dam who holds back the evil flood waters of the wicked seed until He removes the restraints and the wicked come pouring out into the world like a flood.

Isaiah 59:19

So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in “like a flood,”the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

 

 

Yeah, I need to delete my post here, I can't go there yet, I have been digging all over the place and have pieces clicking together but not enough to bring it together or say for sure. I agree he would be holding back the flood (so to speak).

Man I sat here forever wanted to 'go there" and I can't

(..kicks a can and turns around to go home)

Lord willing when I get my stuff together we can go back and forth on it.

I got "nuffin"

[Stewardofthemystery]

Let me add these verses about “fruit unto Life and fruit unto Death”

Proverbs 10:16

The labour of the righteous tendeth to life: the fruit of the wicked to sin.

Proverbs 11:30

The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

Proverbs 18:21

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Luke 8:14

And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

John 4:36

And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

Romans 6:22

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Revelation 22:2

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

Now fruit unto Death…

 

Proverbs 18:21

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Romans 6:21

What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

Romans 7:5

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

 

So doing righteousness brings forth the fruit unto Life.

 

And doing sin brings forth the fruit unto death.

 

Life is a sweet smell but Death stinks 😷 

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Good post StewardOfTheMystery! I wanted to get back to you earlier but was having some problems with my puter among other things. And you know when you said, 

"Life is a sweet smell but Death stinks"

I agree, to us that are being saved he has a sweet savour,  but in them that perish would that perceived the same way? Or would they perceive that which we love and cherish as something foul, when one loves darkness more then light that is? Do you nnow what I mean? That's why I was using that verse that spake to them spreading the knowledge of Christ and how it worked between the two of them differently (death and life)

And another thing, when you search "the power of death" two verses are said to hold it, "the tongue" (in Prov 18:21) and "the devil" (in Hebrews 2:14)  and yet a wholesome tongue is called a tree of life (in Prov 15:4) and so shows it also holds the power of life, as Jesus words are spirit and life and his words are wholesome words.

Here is a few verses I will add to yours also, I think its good to see confirmations when they can be made.

As it says,

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

It adds, ... "and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof" 

Proverbs 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

Notice the "love it" (between death and life in the tongue)

Even here in respects to loving life, Peter writes

1Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile

He connects those to a man's tongue. And God creates the fruit of the lips and we abide in Christ and by Him it says we are

Phil 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

And Jesus said,

John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

We abide in Jesus, our fruit is by Him

John 15:20 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Whereas those which did not like to retain God in their knowledge it says are

Romans 1:28 Being filled with all unrighteousness...

In contrast to be given a sound mind, these are given a reprobate mind and are likewise being filled, but with all unrigteousness (not the fruit of rigteousness)

I also love what James shows us here, he says,

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Because as Jesus said,

Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

James 3:6... so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body

Similarly it shows us

Psalm 109:18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

So what went out, that is what come back in, similar thing...

Psalm 64:8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves...

So contrarywise as Peter says,

1 Peter 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

He says "to inherit" a blessing and that verse is actually behind this verse, again

1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

So clothing oneself with cursing is shown as something that is inherited again (or brought into yourself) through doing the same (cursing others) instead of blessing them. Wouldnt that be a picture of working life and death (so to speak) through a sowing/reaping scenario?

No wonder James says,

"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing, and why my brethren, these things ought not so to be.

The there are Jesus words,

His words are spirit and life, and wholesome words

1 Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

Proverbs 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life

But also, when Jesus said,

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

Seeing that reproofs of instruction are the way of life, but it also says,

"In them that perish" he is not received in the same way

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Which is how I was catching all the same in them (according to the knowledge of Christ)

2 Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2 Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

2 Cr 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

Wherea Paul says here

Phil 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Phil 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

In othewords, "in them that are saved" and "in them that perish" theres an evident token of perdition there.

You can go so many places with the tongue also in scripture, that is such a wonderfully enlightening study.  I remember when first studying it I felt much like,

" Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips"

Our God and Father bless you in Christ brother

Edited October 19, 2023 by AFlameOfFire

[Stewardofthemystery]

9 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I agree, to us that are being saved he has a sweet savour,  but in them that perish would that perceived the same way? Or would they perceive that which we love and cherish as something foul, when one loves darkness more then light that is? Do you nnow what I mean? That's why I was using that verse that spake to them spreading the knowledge of Christ and how it worked between the two of them differently (death and life)

Yes I can see what you are saying.  They hate the Light/Life and they love the darkness/Death.

It is written…

Proverbs 8:36

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

9 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

And another thing, when you search "the power of death" two verses are said to hold it, "the tongue" (in Prov 18:21) and "the devil" (in Hebrews 2:14)  and yet a wholesome tongue is called a tree of life (in Prov 15:4) and so shows it also holds the power of life, as Jesus words are spirit and life and his words are wholesome words.

Here is a few verses I will add to yours also, I think its good to see confirmations when they can be made.

As it says,

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

It adds, ... "and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof" 

Proverbs 18:20 A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.

Notice the "love it" (between death and life in the tongue)

Even here in respects to loving life, Peter writes

1Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile

He connects those to a man's tongue. And God creates the fruit of the lips and we abide in Christ and by Him it says we are

Phil 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

And Jesus said,

John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

We abide in Jesus, our fruit is by Him

John 15:20 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Whereas those which did not like to retain God in their knowledge it says are

Romans 1:28 Being filled with all unrighteousness...

In contrast to be given a sound mind, these are given a reprobate mind and are likewise being filled, but with all unrigteousness (not the fruit of rigteousness)

I also love what James shows us here, he says,

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Because as Jesus said,

Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

James 3:6... so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body

Similarly it shows us

Psalm 109:18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

So what went out, that is what come back in, similar thing...

Psalm 64:8 So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves...

So contrarywise as Peter says,

1 Peter 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

He says "to inherit" a blessing and that verse is actually behind this verse, again

1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

So clothing oneself with cursing is shown as something that is inherited again (or brought into yourself) through doing the same (cursing others) instead of blessing them. Wouldnt that be a picture of working life and death (so to speak) through a sowing/reaping scenario?

No wonder James says,

"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing, and why my brethren, these things ought not so to be.

The there are Jesus words,

His words are spirit and life, and wholesome words

1 Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

Proverbs 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life

But also, when Jesus said,

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

Seeing that reproofs of instruction are the way of life, but it also says,

"In them that perish" he is not received in the same way

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Which is how I was catching all the same in them (according to the knowledge of Christ)

2 Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2 Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

2 Cr 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

Wherea Paul says here

Phil 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Phil 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

In othewords, "in them that are saved" and "in them that perish" theres an evident token of perdition there.

You can go so many places with the tongue also in scripture, that is such a wonderfully enlightening study.  I remember when first studying it I felt much like,

" Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips"

Our God and Father bless you in Christ brother

Good scriptures about the fruit of our words. And yes the words we speak, (our testimony matters)

Notice….

Revelation 12:11

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by “the word of their testimony;” and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

I wrote a thread years ago about our words being like fruit.  Here it is….

Just as every good tree brings forth good fruit, so does a bad tree bring forth evil.

Many understand our actions are works, or fruit; but did you know the words we speak are also like fruit?

Proverbs 18:20 “A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.”

Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Isaiah 57:19 “I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.” 

Hebrews 13:15 “By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.”

Jesus said in Matthew 12:36 “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.”

Jesus also said in Matthew 12:34 “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”

And again in Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.”

Jesus said in Matthew 15:11 “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which “cometh out of the mouth,” this defileth a man.”

Jesus went on to say in Matthew 15:17-20 “ Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?18 But those things which “proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart”; and they defile the man.19

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:20 These are the things which defile a man: …..”

The words a man speaks defiling the man is also confirmed in James 3:6 “And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it “defileth the whole body,” and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.”

We are told in 1 Peter 3:10 :For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:”

And again in James we are told ….James 1:26 “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”

And again in James 3:10-18 “Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a “good conversation”his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife “in your hearts,”glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and “good fruits”, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.”

Peace and God bless

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Its 4 AM here and I havent even gone to sleep yet and you are up already haha. Great verses StewardOfTheMystery, we have lots of the same verses between us on this one,  very confirming. I sure can't add any more to that (at least not at 4 AM). 

Gods richest blessings brother, peace to you as well