Dilemma about holy spirit, in Acts 2:14-21

[2nd2n1roc]

Holy spirit is the truth, which is not what Peter was telling to the crowd in Acts 2:14-21

Prophecy by Joel is about these days, not 2000 years ago, not disciples.

How was that Holy spirit then ?

I hope it's not just me feeling that

much love !

[Fiosh]

Holy spirit is the truth, which is not what Peter was telling to the crowd in Acts 2:14-21

Prophecy by Joel is about these days, not 2000 years ago, not disciples.

How was that Holy spirit then ?

I hope it's not just me feeling that

much love !

Can you explain a bit more what you see as the contradiction? I'm not sure I exactly understand what you are asking.

Thanks,

F

[2nd2n1roc]

Can you explain a bit more what you see as the contradiction? I'm not sure I exactly understand what you are asking.

Thanks,

F

What I see is that is not logical to see Joel's prophecy as 2000 years stretch. It gave me,

colourful picture of days when females prophecy, old man will dream dreams, wonders in

heavens and earth , wars etc.. And then 2:31, Sun will turn into darkness, and the moon into

blood, right before that great and terrible day of the Lord.

Generation that was able only to dream (technology for instance) of what they became part in

the future. So they dream they dream today, not more than 100 years ago.

Sun and moon metaphores stand for life and death. Somehow, time will be altered in fashion that every person on planet will know that "end" have happened.

In Matthew 24:19, Jesus pointed out " How terrible it will be for pregnant women and mothers nursing their babies in those days "

Disciples did have Holy spirit, and that spirit still lives through Gospels.

Simon, as " leader of the pack ", when it comes to disciples, clearly stated that Joels prophecy is about disciples that looked high or drunk that morning.

And it is not.

My question was, how did Simon went wrong, freshly armed with Holy spirit ?

Everyone reserve right to feel about it, the way they feel about it. Only days ahead of us will

show who's feeling was on " the right track " .

Thanks

Pete

[2nd2n1roc]

Joels prophecy indeed did begin to be fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. Peter was not lying. However, it continues to be fulfilled to this day. Not all prophecy in the Bible speaks about an event that simply comes and goes. Joel's prophecy that Peter quoted is as follows:

Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Some portions of that prophecy, such as sons and daughters prophesying, are continuing things. They don't just come and go. People still have dreams from God. People still prophesy(rarely). People still do miracles through Jesus name(even more rarely). The "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord" part is fulfilled every time someone gets saved. In fact, its fulfilled every time we pray!

Teh point is this prophecy is not referring to a single event that comes and goes, but a continual outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the world.

With all due respect, I just disagree.

Can you name daughters in past 2000 years that were prophesying ?

Thanks !

Pete

[2nd2n1roc]

the 5th, 6th and 7th days of the week, are indeed, the last days of the week....

from the incarnation, to today, is 2 days....the 7th is on the horizon.....

year 0? -1000---5th day

1001-2000---6th day

example......

we are in the late afternoon, the sun is setting, of the 6th day.

nightfall----begins the jewish day.

nightfall---is darkness---the trib.

and evening and morning, the 6th day.......

I feel that late afternoon feeling too.

And those hours till 7th day are actualy months...

[2nd2n1roc]

First lets define "Prophecy", because there is some confusion between "preaching" and "prophecy".

Prophecy is the Holy Spirit inspired foretelling, or forth-telling, of events. True prophecy is not an "I think". It is a certainty spoken when the Holy Spirit moves upon a person and speaks through them. Often the person doesn't even fully comprehend what has just happened when they speak the utterance.

Absolute truth ! with small technical eror on how Holy Spirit actualy works.

Foretelling prophecy is that which predicts the future, either as a certainty, or as an "if you do or don't obey God this or that will happen".

Prophecy is an absolute certainty, otherwise it wouldn't be a prophecy.

Obeying God is Judeo and "Organized" "Christian" "Religion" concept. And according to

Foretelling of Jesus in Luke 21:5,6 that concept is about to Expire, completely demolished.

Forth-telling is when God explains why something has happened, or explains that a previously spoken prophecy has now been fulfilled.

Why something have happened and explanation of fulfillment of prophecy are the same

matter. Foretelling is statement about Future, not Past . It is very slippery when we look

@ things from God's perspective, because He don't have Time as we do. His past is our

Future. This all have happened long, long time ago, otherwise it wouldn't be written.

In Matthew 24 and Luke 21, Jesus foretells future and coming of " Son of Man "

Preaching is simply teaching people, and reminding them of what they already know. Sometimes preaching contains prophecy. Not all preaching is prophecy, and not all prophecy is preaching. There is some overlap, but they are not mutually defined.

Who with the brain, eyes, Torah and Gospels need Preaching ? I know I don't

I feel that Human flesh accomplish absolutely nothing, it's all spirit.

I also feel that Man is capable of serving only One " Master ", God or Money, and I see

Preachers serving Money, not God. I always felt that true love and truth are Free.

Well, now I will address both "sons" and "daughters".

I am not bragging, but I have functioned in the "Vocal Gift" of Prophecy at least one time. So that takes care of the "sons" part already. But I have seen many people function in the Gift of Prophecy, and it truly was of God.

A few years ago I had an encounter with a severely backslidden congregation(they were later all arrested on felony and misdemeanor charges unrelated to the events of that particular day). There was a verbal dispute, and the people proceeded to chase me and my dad out of the building. I am not a bold person AT ALL. But on that day the Spirit of God was with me, and I knew something terrible was going on, I just din't know the extent of it. At one point one of the members of this cult rebuked me in the name of Jesus! and I told him, "You don't know who Jesus is. Do you see these doors here? In just a few months they will be closed."

About two years later the entire congregation was arrested for repeatedly raping and molesting children. The church is now closed down, and as far as I know, in possession of the FBI for evidence. It hurt so bad because I cried for those people for months and months asking God to have mercy on them, and I didn't know how bad it was, but when God's judgment came it was total and complete. He took away their candlestick and "fought against them with the sword of his mouth".

Regarding "daughters".

My mother has functioned in the Gift of Prophecy numerous times. So that takes care of the "Daughters" part, because she is a woman. There are many women in Pentecostal, Charismatic, and non-denominational churches who function in the Gift of Prophecy, as well as other of the nine Gifts of the Spirit. Just because YOU haven't observed it, that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

I'd go as far as to say that any "church" where such is not the case is actually in serious spiritual decay, because the "Body of Christ" is not functioning as it should be. If there are not people OTHER THAN THE PASTORS who regularly give inspired prophetic utterances in the congregation, SOMETHING is wrong. I am not saying such should or will happen every service, or even once a month, but if it doesn't happen from time to time, its because nobody in the congregation is functioning in Gifts of the Spirit, and if that is the case, it is a dead church(See 1 Corinthians chapter 12-14).

I am not going to dispute your and your mother's prophetic abilities ( who am I to judge ? ).

I feel that you are person who feel things that others don't, that is who you are, and you couldn't be any other way. No doubt you got " spiritual mindset ", rather than material.

My vision of " in those days your sons and daughters will prophesy " is about people

who's foretelling are widely heard and seen in the world we living in.

Those sons and daughters are writers, poets, directors, actors, who painted Future and

gave it to us on a silver platter to feel it. They are 100% in sync with already told

prophecies.

For instance " Batman " (Nicholson/Keaton) is story about God's church (Basinger) and

deal between God and "God", as of who've created who ?

" Groundhog Day ", when 1000 years "day" arives, people will find true love and live forever,

or they will die.

" The Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy ", fantastic prophecy about 42.

That's just the way I feel.

"Outpouring" of Holy Spirit is metaphore, not to be taken as Rain, it means there will be

Lot's of People in those days telling the truth to Ears that can hear, and Eyes that can " see "

Holy Spirit is in your blood, or it isn't, same way was Jesus in David's blood.

Which again don't mean that you and your mother are not going to be heard of.

much respect !

[nebula]

Holy spirit is the truth, which is not what Peter was telling to the crowd in Acts 2:14-21

Prophecy by Joel is about these days, not 2000 years ago, not disciples.

How was that Holy spirit then ?

I'm not following your train of thought.

Acts 2 was only the beginning of the prophetic fulfillment.

You see, in "Old Testament times," only a few people were granted such spiritual gifts. But starting with the outpouring of the Spirit on the diciples that Pentecost, the gifts were available to all (at least all of those born of the Spirit).

So, that is how the prophecy was fulfilled.

But like I said, it was only the beginning.

After all what is 2000 years to the Lord but 2 days? (to paraphrase a famous verse.)

And didn't Jesus say He was comming back "soon"?

[2nd2n1roc]

I'm not following your train of thought.

Joels prophecy is about these days, not any other, God created everything, prophets

and disciples included. Torah and Gospels are books about Seventh day, which we actualy

reliving, and when that Actual Seventh day start, some of Us will feel Love, and some will not.

Acts 2 was only the beginning of the prophetic fulfillment.

You see, in "Old Testament times," only a few people were granted such spiritual gifts. But starting with the outpouring of the Spirit on the diciples that Pentecost, the gifts were available to all (at least all of those born of the Spirit).

So, that is how the prophecy was fulfilled.

Meaning of entire prophecy is about those who will " call on the name of the Lord " and

get saved, and verses 31, 32 did not happen' yet.

But like I said, it was only the beginning.

After all what is 2000 years to the Lord but 2 days? (to paraphrase a famous verse.)

And didn't Jesus say He was comming back "soon"?

Just follow your instincts, and you'll be " safe & sound " .

My instinct tells me He is already here !

[nebula]

My instinct tells me He is already here !

So the Lord's coming wasn't "as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west"? (MT. 24:27)

So, are you going totell us now that Jesus is in bodily form in some other specific person? Or are you going to tell us that His being in us is how He's here?

Or do you have soemthing new up your sleeve that we haven't heard of before?

[2nd2n1roc]

My instinct tells me He is already here !

So the Lord's coming wasn't "as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west"? (MT. 24:27)

So, are you going totell us now that Jesus is in bodily form in some other specific person? Or are you going to tell us that His being in us is how He's here?

Or do you have soemthing new up your sleeve that we haven't heard of before?

Everything I've said is just the way I feel, after reading word of God, just like you.

Whatever both of us feel is right, because it couldn't be any other way, that's how we are, you

and me. It is all spirit, and it's all God, because God is Everything.

Now, your spirit from what I see is telling you that stories Jesus told disciples while foretelling

the Future about " second coming " of Son of Man, are to be taken Literaly. "Lightning from the east and flashes to the west" are just metaphores for TV Broadcast of War in the East .

His story is in sync with Joel's prophecy, which is proof that last days are last days, not last

two Milleniums.

And right after that, seventh day will Happen' MT. 24:29, every eye on the planet will feel that End has come, because somehow ( that, I don't know, because if I do, I would know

exact day ) time is going to stop. And then among others, you'll hear some dude talking about truth and love, and many people will say " what is next He's gonna pull out of His sleeve, He must be High or Crazy ! ".........

Yes, that is exactly what I was telling you. He was Jesus from Nazareth 2000 years ago.

After only two days, He couldn't resurrect as someone else, because He was known as Jesus. But after 2000 years, he came silent as thief in the night ( MT.24:43,44), in the days described as Noah's days. Born to a different Mother, just like Jesus, He didn't know who He actualy is, until He learn that one Himself. His weapon are His words, and because those words, People will start droppin' dead like Flies.

That is probably why you don't understand, why did He have to change Simon into Peter .

History repeats in Cycles, Adam was given Order, He couldn't do it, Jews were given Law,

they didn't Understand it, Jesus was the way, the truth, the life, not only Jews, everybody else, including disciples did not see that (MT.13:11). And again, now, only chosen will feel Him.

You feel me ?

Of course He's in you, silly, if He is not, you wouldn't be reading this words.

That is why you searching and knocking still, He don't want you to stop, till you find Him,

and then you'll now, you're saved.

The only thing that is between you and Him, right now, is your Belief.

much love and truth !

Peter