Marathoner Posted November 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,497 Content Per Day: 7.14 Reputation: 13,644 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted November 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Just curious. Why do you say it's a myth? As far as I know, there's no historical evidence of a shared meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted November 25, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,291 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,909 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Marathoner said: As far as I know, there's no historical evidence of a shared meal. Hard to know anymore the truth, Marathoner. Personally, I never considered the origin of the day of giving thanks to God for His blessings. It's a good thing to do, showing gratitude, publicly as a nation, and individually. With the abundance of revisionist changing the history (books) for many decades, and the militant cry baby crowd trying to reap shame upon patriotic Americans past, it won't change how I know that our creator God has blessed America beyond measure, from it's birth. Just go try to live in some third world country for only a while and see if you don't kiss the ground when you hurry back home. Gratitude v. Fear Mark Alexander "Think of those around the world who cannot bow their heads in prayer without risking their lives. And then think of how blessed we are to be American..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted November 25, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,062 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 608 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2023 19 hours ago, Marathoner said: As far as I know, there's no historical evidence of a shared meal. Well In fairness, the only piece of evidence that the first Thanksgiving actually happened is from a journal entry by the Governor of the Plymouth colony. I see no reason he would make it up. We have 1 eyewitness account from an authority figure. It's also worth noting that the original thanksgiving supposedly led to 50 years of peace between settlers and Indians. Obviously the peace didn't last forever, but an event that created 50 years of peace between 2 completely different cultures is definitely something to celebrate. I don't know if this gives you more confidence to believe or not, but maybe something to think about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted November 25, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,865 Content Per Day: 5.06 Reputation: 9,209 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 3:28 PM, Marathoner said: It's based on a myth https://www.history.com/topics/thanksgiving/first-thanksgiving-meal and https://www.history.com/news/thanksgiving-timeline 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted November 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,497 Content Per Day: 7.14 Reputation: 13,644 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted November 26, 2023 5 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Well In fairness, the only piece of evidence that the first Thanksgiving actually happened is from a journal entry by the Governor of the Plymouth colony. I see no reason he would make it up. We have 1 eyewitness account from an authority figure. It's also worth noting that the original thanksgiving supposedly led to 50 years of peace between settlers and Indians. Obviously the peace didn't last forever, but an event that created 50 years of peace between 2 completely different cultures is definitely something to celebrate. I don't know if this gives you more confidence to believe or not, but maybe something to think about. The myth is not the offering of food by the Wampanoag tribe to the colonials but rather, that the Wampanoag taught the colonials how to survive. They didn't. Their sachem, Ousamequin, offered the food to the colonials as an entente, an invitation to form an alliance to help them resist their Narragansett enemies. It wasn't an altruistic measure on their part. By approaching the colonials first, the Wampanoag hoped to gain an advantage over their Narragansett rivals. A common American colonial tactic was to enact a treaty with a tribe --- or a federation of tribes --- by supplying them with muskets, and trading with them for meat and furs. In return, those tribes would support their bid to drive other tribes off of their ancestral lands so the colonials could expand and exploit natural resources. The allied tribe would donate warriors to act as guides and translators. Those warriors would learn enough English or French to do the latter. As for the treaty between the "pilgrims" and Wampanoag initiated by that entente, it ended 50 years later with King Philip's War. Treaty violations by the colonials and disease imported by them to America inflamed tensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted November 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,062 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 608 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 7:47 PM, Marathoner said: The myth is not the offering of food by the Wampanoag tribe to the colonials but rather, that the Wampanoag taught the colonials how to survive. They didn't. Their sachem, Ousamequin, offered the food to the colonials as an entente, an invitation to form an alliance to help them resist their Narragansett enemies. It wasn't an altruistic measure on their part. By approaching the colonials first, the Wampanoag hoped to gain an advantage over their Narragansett rivals. A common American colonial tactic was to enact a treaty with a tribe --- or a federation of tribes --- by supplying them with muskets, and trading with them for meat and furs. In return, those tribes would support their bid to drive other tribes off of their ancestral lands so the colonials could expand and exploit natural resources. The allied tribe would donate warriors to act as guides and translators. Those warriors would learn enough English or French to do the latter. As for the treaty between the "pilgrims" and Wampanoag initiated by that entente, it ended 50 years later with King Philip's War. Treaty violations by the colonials and disease imported by them to America inflamed tensions. Thanks for the history lesson. That was very interesting. Maybe you know the history of that day better than me. I'll have to go read up some more. It's actually been awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Jah Posted November 27, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 298 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 129 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2023 Its really not what we think, Its how Jesus feels about what Christians do or don't do since Christians suppose to be followers of Christ. WWJD would Jesus celebrate Thanksgiving or Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted November 27, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,037 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,424 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,458 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Know Jah said: Its really not what we think, Its how Jesus feels about what Christians do or don't do since Christians suppose to be followers of Christ. WWJD would Jesus celebrate Thanksgiving or Christmas? Yes, I think Jesus would celebrate. He went to gatherings and ate with sinners, all the while being condemned by Pharisees, legalists. Also, the Bible says... 16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths... Colossians 2:16 27Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. James 1:27 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted November 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,497 Content Per Day: 7.14 Reputation: 13,644 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted November 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, Debp said: Yes, I think Jesus would celebrate. He went to gatherings and ate with sinners, all the while being condemned by Pharisees, legalists. Also, the Bible says... 16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths... Colossians 2:16 27Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. James 1:27 Agreed. There's nothing wrong with the Thanksgiving holiday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted November 27, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,037 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,424 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 16,458 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Marathoner said: Agreed. There's nothing wrong with the Thanksgiving holiday. And I celebrate Christmas as well. People that might never think of Jesus hear carols about Him, perhaps get invited to church and hear the message about Christ. I also send out Christmas cards... although I might not send as many this year. Found a good site, ChristianBook.com which has beautiful cards with a Christian message. Missionaries report Hindus and Muslims being open to attending events about Christ at Christmas time. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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