Israel has been attacking Gaza for decades

[FJK]

11 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your hearts.... love ye therefore the stranger.
Deuteronomy 10:16-19

The stranger that dwells among you shall be as one born among you and you shall love him as yourself,
I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:33-34

If you meet your enemies donkey or ox going a stray,
you shall surely give it back to him.
If you see someone that hates you struggling with his burden,
you shall surely help him with it.
Exodus 23:4-5

You shall not oppress a stranger,
seeing you were strangers in the land of Israel.
Exodus 23:9

Son of man, thy brethren, even thy kindred,
are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said,
get you far from the Lord, unto us is this land given in possession.
Ezekiel 11:15

I will be a swift witness against... false swearers...
and them that turn aside the stranger from his right.
Malachi 3:5

 

Because he is not a Jew which is one outwardly...
circumcision is that of the heart.

The land was given to Jacob not Esau,
but the Bible tells us that Esau would be ruling in Zion at the end.

And describes what Esau will do in the land.
 

You should not have gloated over your brother in the day that he became a stranger.

You should not have entered into the gates of my people.

You should not have stood in the crossroads
to cut off those of his that did escape
you should not have made captive those of his that did remain.

For the day of the Lord is near.

Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion,
to judge the mount of Esau,
and the kingdom shall be the Lords.

Obadiah 1:12,13,14,15,21

 

Since 1967 literal military checkpoints at and on many various crossroads in Israel have made some captive,
(like those in the Gaza strip who have had only 1 military checkpoint as a way in and out, since 1967)
and restricted tourism and returns to other areas, making them effect ghost towns.
 

Obadiah prophesied about it, making it clear who is who.

Many in Israel will plainly tell you that Zionism is not Judaism, the other day I saw a video
of some religious Jews, in Israel, being violently harassed by the police
simply because they expressed that there should be a ceasefire
and that the Palestinians should not be mistreated.

Anyone sincerely studying the Torah itself
would see the above commands, and they do, plenty in Israel are circumcised,
whether they descend from Esau or Jacob matters little, a circumcision of the heart;
love for even those considered strangers, is what matters.

But Zionism originates from people who actually descend from Esau and not Jacob,
the Bible speaks of all this, we can see Obadiah 1:21 and Revelation 3:9.

 

I've always found it interesting how people will use the Bible to justify foolishness and their political positions without regard to the meaning of it while ignoring that they are in violation of what they are quoting as they quote it.

[Mr. M]

16 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

You should not have gloated over your brother in the day that he became a stranger.

12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.

17 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

You should not have entered into the gates of my people.

13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;

19 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

You should not have stood in the crossroads
to cut off those of his that did escape
you should not have made captive those of his that did remain.

14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.

15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

21 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion,
to judge the mount of Esau,
and the kingdom shall be the Lords.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

Obadiah is an eternal condemnation of Esau/Edom.

Malachi 1:1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,

3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.

5 And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The Lord will be magnified from the border of Israel.

Psalm 137:

7 Remember, O Lord, against the sons of Edom
The day of Jerusalem,
Who said, “Raze it, raze it,
To its very foundation!”

 

[Mr. M]

43 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

You should not have gloated over your brother in the day that he became a stranger.

You should not have entered into the gates of my people.

You should not have stood in the crossroads
to cut off those of his that did escape
you should not have made captive those of his that did remain.

For the day of the Lord is near.

Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion,
to judge the mount of Esau,
and the kingdom shall be the Lords.

Obadiah 1:12,13,14,15,21

This has nothing to do with Gaza!

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 12/13/2023 at 8:55 AM, Mr. M said:

This has nothing to do with Gaza!

 

Obadiah is clearly about our times, leading to the day of the Lord,
and the kingdom of the Lord just as it says.

For the violence against thy brother Jacob, shame shall cover thee,
and you shall be cut off forever.
In the day that you stood on the other side,
in the day that strangers carried away captive
his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates,
and casts lots for Jerusalem, even you were as one of them.

Obadiah 1:10-11   

You should not have entered into the gates of my people
in the day of their calamity,
yes, you should not have gloated over their affliction
in the day of their calamity,
nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity.

Obadiah 1:13

And saviours shall come up on mount Zion [mount Zion is Jerusalem]
to judge the mount of Esau; [so Esau is in Jerusalem, just as verse 13 says]
and the kingdom shall be the Lords.
Obadiah 1:21

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan,
which say they are Jews and are not, but do lie; ( false swearers )
behold I will make them to come and worship before your feet,
and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 3:9

And I hated Esau and laid his mountains waste.....
I will be a swift witness against... false swearers...
and them that turn aside the stranger from his right,
because they do not fear me says the Lord.
Malachi 1:3 to 3:5.

Them that say, Stand by yourself, come not near to me,
for I am holier than thou.
These cause my wrath to smoke a fire that will burn all the day.
Isaiah 65:5   (  Malachi 4:1-3 )

It simply is that these passages are very descriptive,
as we look in Israel, we can see the peoples that perfectly
fit these descriptions, behaving in the very ways described;
turning aside "strangers"
[Jacob has become a stranger; Obadiah 1:12] from their right,
and things like closing streets so they can walk without any "Palestinians" around.
This kind of behavior has been happening from people calling themselves
Jews, since at least 1967. The Bible clearly calls them out.
 

Much of what is happening in Gaza now is therefore violence against Jacob.

Some of the "Palestinians" actually descend from Jacob,
and some of the Zionists actually descend from Esau.

Zionism is not Judaism, plenty of religious Jews in Israel will tell you so.

 

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

 

Obadiah is clearly about our times, leading to the day of the Lord,
and the kingdom of the Lord just as it says.

For the violence against thy brother Jacob, shame shall cover thee,
and you shall be cut off forever.
In the day that you stood on the other side,
in the day that strangers carried away captive
his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates,
and casts lots for Jerusalem, even you were as one of them.

Obadiah 1:10-11   

You should not have entered into the gates of my people
in the day of their calamity,
yes, you should not have gloated over their affliction
in the day of their calamity,
nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity.

Obadiah 1:13

And saviours shall come up on mount Zion [mount Zion is Jerusalem]
to judge the mount of Esau; [so Esau is in Jerusalem, just as verse 13 says]
and the kingdom shall be the Lords.
Obadiah 1:21

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan,
which say they are Jews and are not, but do lie; ( false swearers )
behold I will make them to come and worship before your feet,
and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 3:9

And I hated Esau and laid his mountains waste.....
I will be a swift witness against... false swearers...
and them that turn aside the stranger from his right,
because they do not fear me says the Lord.
Malachi 1:3 to 3:5.

Them that say, Stand by yourself, come not near to me,
for I am holier than thou.
These cause my wrath to smoke a fire that will burn all the day.
Isaiah 65:5   (  Malachi 4:1-3 )

It simply is that these passages are very descriptive,
as we look in Israel, we can see the peoples that perfectly
fit these descriptions, behaving in the very ways described;
turning aside "strangers"
[Jacob has become a stranger; Obadiah 1:12] from their right,
and things like closing streets so they can walk without any "Palestinians" around.
This kind of behavior has been happening from people calling themselves
Jews, since at least 1967. The Bible clearly calls them out.
 

Much of what is happening in Gaza now is therefore violence against Jacob.

 

Let Jacob arise and build

Nehemiah 2:20 So I answered them, and said to them,

The God of heaven Himself will prosper us;

therefore we His servants will arise and build, 

but you have no heritage or right or memorial in Jerusalem.

5 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Some of the "Palestinians" actually descend from Jacob,
and some of the Zionists actually descend from Esau.

Zionism is not Judaism, plenty of religious Jews in Israel will tell you so.

Then let them be known!

Psalm 79:10 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is their God? let him be known among the heathen in our sight by the revenging of the blood of thy servants which is shed.

Best wishes. You could be less transparent in the use of scripture to support an obvious political agenda, but that is your liberty to try, and mine to accept or reject your assertions.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

3 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Best wishes. You could be less transparent in the use of scripture to support an obvious political agenda, but that is your liberty to try, and mine to accept or reject your assertions.

Political agenda? Which you think is what? Obadiah simply says what it says.
I think, the instrument...  will certainly be chief again, it is news that will overshadow any other news for Americans, good theater.  And Jacob will continue to suffer until the Messiah returns, just as Obadiah foreshadows. Free Palestine is the wrong chant,
free Jacob you will not hear in the streets, and is what I'm showing you, no?

Agenda 2051, lol, please notice that the "Star of David" has 6 points, 6 triangles,
and is a 6 sided hexagram in the middle.

[Tristen]

On 11/24/2023 at 7:18 AM, jamesdyson said:

Israel has been attacking Gaza for decades, trying to ethnically cleans the land for Zion settlements

Timeline: Israel’s attacks on Gaza since 2005

You mean "since 2005" - when Israel voluntarily withdrew all its citizens from the land of Gaza - including forcibly removing some Jews from the region - giving the land over entirely to the Arabic Muslims in an attempt to garnish some measure of peace in the region?

Seems like very strange behavior for a nation bent on "trying to ethnically cleans the land for Zion settlements". Your proposal is as follows - Israel gave the land to Arabs and emptied the land of Jews, so they could empty the land of Arabs and fill it with Jews?

"Since 2005" Gaza has been operating as an independent state - with their own government. Then, in their one (and only) election, they voted a tyrannical terrorist organization into power. This Islamist organization has used billions in foreign aid (meant to help the impoverished people) to persistently attack Israel - using foreign aid money to import weapons and build military infrastructure against Israel.

Those who think Israel are the main provocateurs are infected with a demonic stupor that cannot withstand the light of self-evident historical facts. These lies won't prevail here.

Oh - and there has not even been two "decades" "since 2005". Why try and exaggerate if your argument has merit?

 

On 11/24/2023 at 7:18 AM, jamesdyson said:

Effects of the Gaza War (2008–2009)

There are multiple humanitarian, medical, economic, and industrial effects of the 2008–2009 Gaza War which started with the Israeli air strikes on 27 December 2008 and ended on 18 January with a cease-fire implemented unilaterally by Israel, and later the same day by Hamas and other Palestinian factions. The cease-fire followed twenty-two days of bombardment by land, sea and air which left over 1,300 Palestinians dead and over 5,000 injured, and the death of 13 Israelis.

You of course must mean "the 2008–2009 Gaza War which started with" Hamas launching 125 rockets and 68 mortar attacks into southern Israel in November of 2008, and then launching a further 361 rockets and 241 mortars against Israel in December of 2008.

Seems like you might have forgotten some of the contextual details of the conflict.

But 'heaven forbid' that Israel should be permitted to defend its population; by attacking Hamas targets - who - being terrorists - cowardly hide military targets and personnel amidst their own civilians - so as to make it difficult to target them without inflicting civilian casualties.

 

On 11/24/2023 at 7:18 AM, jamesdyson said:

The United Nations Development Programme warned that there will be long-term consequences of the attacks on Gaza because the livelihoods and assets of tens of thousands of Gaza civilians have been affected

And where can I find the "United Nations" resolution condemning Hamas for firing rockets into Israel, or hiding military resources behind their own civilians (which is explicitly illegal under international law)?

Seems like the UN is being somewhat selective with their warnings.

 

On 11/24/2023 at 7:18 AM, jamesdyson said:

The 2014 Gaza War, also known as Operation Protective Edge (Hebrew: מִבְצָע צוּק אֵיתָן, romanized: Miv'tza Tzuk Eitan, lit. 'Operation Strong Cliff'), was a military operation launched by Israel on 8 July 2014 in the Gaza Strip, a Palestinian territory that has been governed by Hamas since 2007. Following the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas-affiliated Palestinian militants, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) initiated Operation Brother's Keeper, in which some 350 Palestinians, including nearly all of the active Hamas militants in the West Bank, were arrested. Hamas subsequently fired a greater number of rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip,

So then, what you are saying is - the events leading to this "war" were instigated by "the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas-affiliated Palestinian militants".

Furthermore, in June 2014 there were 66 rocket attacks fired into southern Israel. And in the first seven days of July 2014, there were 250 rocket attacks against southern Israel.

But again, how dare Israel respond to terrorist attacks against their civilians?

 

On 11/27/2023 at 3:30 AM, jamesdyson said:

Israel’s true history

Palestinian territory – encompassing the Gaza Strip and West Bank, including East Jerusalem – has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967

Only if by "true" you mean completely untrue.

There has never been a state called Palestine, nor a people called Palestinians. This is a recently made-up designation - constructed to drive the dishonest narrative of Jewish colonialism.

The Arabs in Israel are descended mostly from two groups:

1) When the Jews started to successfully cultivate the land they purchased from the bankrupted Ottoman Empire, many Arabs from the Ottoman territories followed the Jews to Israel to take advantage of newly created job opportunities.

2) When the British were in control of Israel, they imported workers from Egypt for infrastructure projects.

The so-called Palestinians are largely descended from these two groups. The Ottoman Empire had left the land of Israel abandoned prior to Jews returning (from the early 1800s).

 

Furthermore, you must mean "since 1967", after five Arabic armies mobilized against Israel, and Israel was able to win the disputed territories they needed to make their nation defensible against future attacks. 

You don't get to start a war, then have a cry about the results when things don't go your way. The purpose of the war was to take land away from the Jews, but the Jews instead took land away from their attackers. Too bad.

The idea that territory was "illegally occupied by Israel" is just another rhetorical lie in the dishonest propaganda war against Israel. Israel gained ground by pushing back against attacking forces in a war that was instigated against Israel. Israel gave most of the gained territory back, but the ground they held onto did not belong to any nation state (so to call it an occupation is technically incorrect). Furthermore, given the historical propensity for their Arab neighbors to make war with Israel, Israel had no choice but to hold the ground they needed to defend themselves from future attacks.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 3:30 AM, jamesdyson said:

The Israeli government has also engaged in a regular practice of inhumane acts, as well as extrajudicial killings, torture, denial of fundamental human rights, arbitrary detention and collective punishment. The UN

As demonstrated by my above comments, "The UN" has an established record of bias against Israel - and are therefore untrustworthy sources of information on this subject.

Israel is the only free democracy in the region. There are thousands of Arabs enjoying the fruits of that freedom - in all walks of life - including holding high political positions. How many Jews do you suppose live freely in the surrounding Islamic nations?

Do any of your "UN" sources happen to address the persistent internal terrorist problem Israel has been forced to deal with for approaching 8 decades now?

After nearly 8 decades of sustained war and terrorism, it is unsurprising that there are more aggressive restrictions placed over the more troublesome, more persistently violent, regions of Israel. The role of government is to protect its civilians from threats; both external and internal.

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

18 hours ago, Tristen said:

You mean "since 2005" - when Israel voluntarily withdrew all its citizens from the land of Gaza - including forcibly removing some Jews from the region - giving the land over entirely to the Arabic Muslims in an attempt to garnish some measure of peace in the region?

Seems like very strange behavior for a nation bent on "trying to ethnically cleans the land for Zion settlements". Your proposal is as follows - Israel gave the land to Arabs and emptied the land of Jews, so they could empty the land of Arabs and fill it with Jews?

"Since 2005" Gaza has been operating as an independent state - with their own government. Then, in their one (and only) election, they voted a tyrannical terrorist organization into power. This Islamist organization has used billions in foreign aid (meant to help the impoverished people) to persistently attack Israel - using foreign aid money to import weapons and build military infrastructure against Israel.

Those who think Israel are the main provocateurs are infected with a demonic stupor that cannot withstand the light of self-evident historical facts. These lies won't prevail here.

Oh - and there has not even been two "decades" "since 2005". Why try and exaggerate if your argument has merit?

 

You of course must mean "the 2008–2009 Gaza War which started with" Hamas launching 125 rockets and 68 mortar attacks into southern Israel in November of 2008, and then launching a further 361 rockets and 241 mortars against Israel in December of 2008.

Seems like you might have forgotten some of the contextual details of the conflict.

But 'heaven forbid' that Israel should be permitted to defend its population; by attacking Hamas targets - who - being terrorists - cowardly hide military targets and personnel amidst their own civilians - so as to make it difficult to target them without inflicting civilian casualties.

 

And where can I find the "United Nations" resolution condemning Hamas for firing rockets into Israel, or hiding military resources behind their own civilians (which is explicitly illegal under international law)?

Seems like the UN is being somewhat selective with their warnings.

 

So then, what you are saying is - the events leading to this "war" were instigated by "the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas-affiliated Palestinian militants".

Furthermore, in June 2014 there were 66 rocket attacks fired into southern Israel. And in the first seven days of July 2014, there were 250 rocket attacks against southern Israel.

But again, how dare Israel respond to terrorist attacks against their civilians?

 

Only if by "true" you mean completely untrue.

There has never been a state called Palestine, nor a people called Palestinians. This is a recently made-up designation - constructed to drive the dishonest narrative of Jewish colonialism.

The Arabs in Israel are descended mostly from two groups:

1) When the Jews started to successfully cultivate the land they purchased from the bankrupted Ottoman Empire, many Arabs from the Ottoman territories followed the Jews to Israel to take advantage of newly created job opportunities.

2) When the British were in control of Israel, they imported workers from Egypt for infrastructure projects.

The so-called Palestinians are largely descended from these two groups. The Ottoman Empire had left the land of Israel abandoned prior to Jews returning (from the early 1800s).

 

Furthermore, you must mean "since 1967", after five Arabic armies mobilized against Israel, and Israel was able to win the disputed territories they needed to make their nation defensible against future attacks. 

You don't get to start a war, then have a cry about the results when things don't go your way. The purpose of the war was to take land away from the Jews, but the Jews instead took land away from their attackers. Too bad.

The idea that territory was "illegally occupied by Israel" is just another rhetorical lie in the dishonest propaganda war against Israel. Israel gained ground by pushing back against attacking forces in a war that was instigated against Israel. Israel gave most of the gained territory back, but the ground they held onto did not belong to any nation state (so to call it an occupation is technically incorrect). Furthermore, given the historical propensity for their Arab neighbors to make war with Israel, Israel had no choice but to hold the ground they needed to defend themselves from future attacks.

 

As demonstrated by my above comments, "The UN" has an established record of bias against Israel - and are therefore untrustworthy sources of information on this subject.

Israel is the only free democracy in the region. There are thousands of Arabs enjoying the fruits of that freedom - in all walks of life - including holding high political positions. How many Jews do you suppose live freely in the surrounding Islamic nations?

Do any of your "UN" sources happen to address the persistent internal terrorist problem Israel has been forced to deal with for approaching 8 decades now?

After nearly 8 decades of sustained war and terrorism, it is unsurprising that there are more aggressive restrictions placed over the more troublesome, more persistently violent, regions of Israel. The role of government is to protect its civilians from threats; both external and internal.

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure this started back pre 1948.

Not 2005.

 

Israel was founded as a racist state.A state for Jews.They really don't want Muslims or Christians but they kinda came along with the territory.I don't think it will be long before Israel decides to exterminate their christians as Jesus prophecied in the gospel and as other prophecies show.But even while those who are in Christ in Israel are persecuted and killed,I expect christians in other parts of the world will still support Israel believing that them who reject Christ are God's chosen people.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Tristen]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I'm pretty sure this started back pre 1948.

Not 2005.

My responses were to the comments I quoted - which were explicitly about "Israel’s attacks on Gaza since 2005".

 

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Israel was founded as a racist state.A state for Jews.They really don't want Muslims or Christians but they kinda came along with the territory

This is untrue. 

Firstly, the historical evidence tells us that the Ottoman Empire left the land of Israel abandoned. The people who are there now descended from peoples that followed the Jews reestablishing civilization in the land.

Secondly, when the Jews self-declared independence in 1948, they asked the peaceful Arabs to stay. And today, that mentality is reflected in the diverse participation of Israeli society.

It is true that some Jews are uncomfortable with Christians and Muslims. But as citizens, the state provides them equal protection under Israel's laws.

 

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I don't think it will be long before Israel decides to exterminate their christians as Jesus prophecied in the gospel and as other prophecies show

This Christian persecution is already happening across the world - most notably in Islamist and communist states (and increasingly in the secularized West). Christians in Israel are currently free citizens.

 

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

But even while those who are in Christ in Israel are persecuted and killed,I expect christians in other parts of the world will still support Israel believing that them who reject Christ are God's chosen people.

You can speculate about people's motives until your eyes bleed. Only God know my heart.

My participation in this thread is about rebutting the self-evident lie that Israel are the primary instigators of violence in the region. With very few exceptions, the violence perpetrated by Israel has been in response to wars and consistent terrorist activities threatening Israel's civilians. The conversation is about being fair-minded; and seeing the reality (based in historical fact) through the propaganda.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

42 minutes ago, Tristen said:

My responses were to the comments I quoted - which were explicitly about "Israel’s attacks on Gaza since 2005".

 

This is untrue. 

Firstly, the historical evidence tells us that the Ottoman Empire left the land of Israel abandoned. The people who are there now descended from peoples that followed the Jews reestablishing civilization in the land.

Secondly, when the Jews self-declared independence in 1948, they asked the peaceful Arabs to stay. And today, that mentality is reflected in the diverse participation of Israeli society.

It is true that some Jews are uncomfortable with Christians and Muslims. But as citizens, the state provides them equal protection under Israel's laws.

 

This Christian persecution is already happening across the world - most notably in Islamist and communist states (and increasingly in the secularized West). Christians in Israel are currently free citizens.

 

You can speculate about people's motives until your eyes bleed. Only God know my heart.

My participation in this thread is about rebutting the self-evident lie that Israel are the primary instigators of violence in the region. With very few exceptions, the violence perpetrated by Israel has been in response to wars and consistent terrorist activities threatening Israel's civilians. The conversation is about being fair-minded; and seeing the reality (based in historical fact) through the propaganda.

 

Jesus's prophecy concerning christians being persecuted and killed were about Israel.Jesus didn't say anything about China.

 

 

Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 

 

 

It's safe to say that all them who do not worship the beast or it's image or recieve it's mark are in this group of people who die in Israel .But as I stated already,there will be some "christians"who will continue to support the beast while the christians in Israel are being murdered.