Why is the "mark" in the RIGHT hand?

[CaptWalker]

Was going to post this in the Prophecy section but that's already way over-loaded with active discussions. Anyway  its a pretty simple question if taken in the literal sense. But i really believe it is speaking symbolically or in a spiritual sense, since obviously not everyone is right handed and also having the mark IN ones forehead could mean in your mind. Either way i dont know if is saying  right hand because it symbolizes doing work for the Beast system or if it is referring to how everyone who has it will think they are doing "right" with even those on the "left" in a social or political sense will believe it is the thing that should and must be done without question, since it will all be about UNITY at that time. Anyway just my thoughts on this and curious what anyone else's take is? 

Thanks-

[Michael37]

3 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Was going to post this in the Prophecy section but that's already way over-loaded with active discussions. Anyway  its a pretty simple question if taken in the literal sense. But i really believe it is speaking symbolically or in a spiritual sense, since obviously not everyone is right handed and also having the mark IN ones forehead could mean in your mind. Either way i dont know if is saying  right hand because it symbolizes doing work for the Beast system or if it is referring to how everyone who has it will think they are doing "right" with even those on the "left" in a social or political sense will believe it is the thing that should and must be done without question, since it will all be about UNITY at that time. Anyway just my thoughts on this and curious what anyone else's take is? 

Thanks-

The simple answer is Usability. *

The thought is that mark reading equipment will match the options given in Revelation 13.

Is there a term that describes how technology is designed to facilitate efficient use?

Yes, there is a term that describes how technology is designed to facilitate efficient use. It is called *usability.  Usability refers to the ease of use and learnability of a human-made object, such as a tool or device. The term was first coined by Jakob Nielsen in 1993¹. Usability is an important aspect of design, especially in the field of human-computer interaction (HCI), where it is used to evaluate the effectiveness of user interfaces and other interactive systems². Usability can be measured using various methods, such as user testing, heuristic evaluation, and cognitive walkthroughs². By designing technology with usability in mind, we can create products that are more efficient, effective, and satisfying to use.

¹: Wikipedia ²: University of Maryland

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[enoob57]

to put it very simply the world of righthanded people everything is geared that way ... even the lefties have adjusted to this reality...

[Jaydub]

7 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

Was going to post this in the Prophecy section but that's already way over-loaded with active discussions. Anyway  its a pretty simple question if taken in the literal sense. But i really believe it is speaking symbolically or in a spiritual sense, since obviously not everyone is right handed and also having the mark IN ones forehead could mean in your mind. Either way i dont know if is saying  right hand because it symbolizes doing work for the Beast system or if it is referring to how everyone who has it will think they are doing "right" with even those on the "left" in a social or political sense will believe it is the thing that should and must be done without question, since it will all be about UNITY at that time. Anyway just my thoughts on this and curious what anyone else's take is? 

Thanks-

 

The forehead symbolizes the things we think about and the hand symbolizes our actions. A God fearing person with think about Godly things and will act in Godly ways. A sinful man will think about sinful things and do sinful acts. There are only two kinds of people in this world. Those marked with the Holy Spirit and those with the mark of the beast

Deuteronomy 6

 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 

Deuteronomy 11:18

Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

Here are a few places where the right hand more specifically is shown

In relation to a graven image of wood it refers to a lie in the right hand 

Isaiah 44:20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, 
Is there not a lie in my right hand?

In relation to the  bribes of bloody men it refers to the right hand here

Psalm 26:10 In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes.

In relation to fellowship it refers to the right hands of fellowship  

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

In relation to the beast and men having the ability to buy and sell includes a mark in their right hand also

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, 
or in their foreheads

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

21 minutes ago, Jaydub said:

 

The forehead symbolizes the things we think about and the hand symbolizes our actions. A God fearing person with think about Godly things and will act in Godly ways. A sinful man will think about sinful things and do sinful acts. There are only two kinds of people in this world. Those marked with the Holy Spirit and those with the mark of the beast

Deuteronomy 6

 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 

Deuteronomy 11:18

Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Jaydub,  what are your thoughts (if you have any on it) according to the scripture concerning how men would have the power to buy and sell with a specific mark that was spiritual in nature. Any thoughts on that?

 

 

[Dennis1209]

I take it as literal as opposed to symbolic. Everything today is all about technology, speed, convenience, and accounting. Our local Walmart has been converted to almost all barcode self-checkout now.

I think of the speed, convenience, efficiency, and security if you could load up your cart and walk out the door via an RFID chip smaller than a grain of rice, automatically deducting it from your account.

Not to mention, always have all your health, insurance, registrations, and financial information with you. No more show me your license, registration, and proof of insurance. A quick scan of your right hand or forehead does it all. There is no need for wallets and purses anymore.

When pets get chipped, the location is uniform, so the whole body does not need scanning. Historically, the right hand is a symbol of power.

If something like an RFID chip is the M.O.B., it needs a source of rechargeable micropower, I would think. I imagine the forehead and back of the hand would be the easiest accessible and convenient place.

Everything is getting miniaturized; smartphones, smart wristwatches, and RFID chips are everywhere.

Energy is mutually convertible. The forehead and hand have the most temperature variance, which can be converted to microenergy to power something.

Some companies have mandated their employees get chipped for access and security concerns. Thus far, the SCOTUS has nixed that requirement, but what would it take for them to reverse that decision?

Just some thoughts as I see things progress.

[Jaydub]

On 12/19/2023 at 6:47 PM, AFlameOfFire said:

Jaydub,  what are your thoughts (if you have any on it) according to the scripture concerning how men would have the power to buy and sell with a specific mark that was spiritual in nature. Any thoughts on that?

It is my belief that we are all marked, that we are all marked with either the mark of the Lord or the mark of the beast, as we pointed out above  the mark on the right hand and forehead symbolizes our thoughts and actions. Those receiving the mark of the beast are sinners doing and thinking sinful things, those with the mark of the lord they will stay pure holy and righteous. Staying with that line of thought, sinners buy and sell sin, prostitution. Men and women buy and sell their bodies. Drugs are bought and sold. Alcohol, pornography, bribery. Money is the root to all evil, if you have enough money you can buy any evil desire you wish. How about the phrase he sold his soul to the devil

If you don't have the mark of the beast, you can't buy sin, we can't sell sin, we are no longer slaves to sin. We despise sin in our lives, but even with Gods mark we can't buy or sell, because you can't buy righteousness. we can't buy purity we can't buy our salvation

So only those with the mark of the beast can buy and sell

I want to thank you for asking. I never had a good answer for that before. Your question caused me to rethink it and I am pleased with my answer. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks

 

 

 

[uncle_mike]

The right hand in the Bible normally means power.  Jesus on the right hand of Glory/God/Father.   Many prophecies about the coming Messiah were referred to as the Right Hand or Right Arm of God.   It's possible this same concept connects to the Beast in power.   

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

2 hours ago, Jaydub said:

It is my belief that we are all marked, that we are all marked with either the mark of the Lord or the mark of the beast, as we pointed out above  the mark on the right hand and forehead symbolizes our thoughts and actions. Those receiving the mark of the beast are sinners doing and thinking sinful things, those with the mark of the lord they will stay pure holy and righteous. Staying with that line of thought, sinners buy and sell sin, prostitution. Men and women buy and sell their bodies. Drugs are bought and sold. Alcohol, pornography, bribery. Money is the root to all evil, if you have enough money you can buy any evil desire you wish. How about the phrase he sold his soul to the devil

If you don't have the mark of the beast, you can't buy sin, we can't sell sin, we are no longer slaves to sin. We despise sin in our lives, but even with Gods mark we can't buy or sell, because you can't buy righteousness. we can't buy purity we can't buy our salvation

So only those with the mark of the beast can buy and sell

I want to thank you for asking. I never had a good answer for that before. Your question caused me to rethink it and I am pleased with my answer. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your response Jaydub!  You have reasoned a little similar to me when considering that way, there are many other verses which can be layered into it as well. So you would be considering this between the carnal man and spiritual man (so to speak) is that fair to say? Because that is somewhat where I was going with it according to various comparisons.

I don't really know where to start on my end, but let me say upfront I am not convinced yet. And I will just speak freely here since I am not proving anything but expressing my own musings and/questions.

Just to lay some quick basic ground work. I believe we are all sinners (the basics) and that Jesus Christ died for such, and that by Jesus Christ we are made free from sin and  that we ourselves are no longer to serve sin. (His servants ye are whom ye serve). And  that we who believe in Jesus Christ are sealed with the Holy Spirit (in contrast to those who believe not on him).  That applies.

Jumping way ahead. We all see the mark pertaining to the right hand or forehead in revelation (and the thread of scriptures mention a mark, whether placed upon one by God (think Cain, the perfect man, and iniquity itself and an observance mark of those which cause divisions) as shown throughout the scriptures,  such as the law/ as you posted. We also understand we have been given "mind of Christ" (which even makes you even think forehead) even as we are given to know that his Fathers name pertains to the forehead.  Just as the reference to the hand/hands can pertain to our works (as we know). And in the example of the Apostles, it shows that they give one another "the right hands" of  fellowship.

You could possibly show the opposite as being true in the forehead (or where the god of this world  has blinded the mind of unbelievers which is the spirit that works in the children of disobedience. And whatever else might pertain to what is called carnal, sensual and devilish in nature (on the side of the big bad spiritual mark, so to speak). 

And I am just speaking a little freely here so that will always be a little jumbled, so forgive me. But I can understand trying to grasp it between the two spiritual states if looking at them that way . For example, the minds (whether carnally or spiritually minded) and who writes what therein, or the hands/ works (whether of the flesh verses the Spirit) or all that we can bring in and have thought about between all of the same (in relation to foreheads, hands, buying and selling) whether that selling  ourselves to sin (lets say, which is our original state) or selling the truth (after we have bought it). etc. I just cannot make the leap of it working out in any sound way as it pertains to the buying and selling in the picture. Because it obviously pertains only to the one part (alone) as far as it pertains to the ability to buy or sell (whether it be to buy or sell the truth or ones own self to sin or worldly goods or whatever you can imagine) so the possibility to be able to do so for the other part also has to be zero in all those things, and  I just cant make it work without this nagging doubt. I  can typically spiritualize things with no problem and do not deny that there is an element of that there but I can't fully do so in this thing and be fully convinced. But I think I could make a good show at trying to sell it to you (pun intended) because I have tried to sell it to myself and it was an epic fail. So I need to wait on that, and have been for quite awhile.

But when I was trying to catch it in the carnal state of things (or that mind, lets say), we know we had already been sold under sin from the start, and we have been redeemed  by Christ without money (but by his precious blood).  We  (in that first state) as drawn by the Father unto Jesus Christ can come to Him as we are (or as sinners saved by grace) to buy of him gold tried in the fire (so, no money here) buying does not always need money (we get it). We can buy the truth in that state and again that would be "without" money also.  And so just as we can in that very same capacity buy earthly goods (or things of this world)  and do so "with money". Just so there is an acknowledgment that buying and selling can be with money and without (Jesus and the Holy Spirit were bargained for by carnal men Judas/Simon for real money). Such men would have the ability to do either, so I cant see it as being limited in "that man" (or the carnal man). I cannot catch this mark of the beast as being spiritual because  of the man it could be "spiritually attributed to" as far as "the carnal man" is concerned because such a man sees with the eyes of a man, and as far as ones ability to buy or sell being prevented or allowed in anyway (in the thing which he is in agreement with) he would be unable to see or receive that which is spiritual in his particular state as far as it pertains to any priviledge to be had in anything resembling buying and/or selling in that alone. 

I haven't a problem taking places in scripture as spiritually speaking, and I have thought on this time and again for many years but I could not make that leap (in the sense that I was ever fully convinced of it).

So I would have to say, I am just not convinced Jaydub.