Why there are no two Witnesses of Moses with Elijah and 144k Sealed Hebrew in modern Israel

[AdHoc]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The throne set up on earth will be set in Israel where the 144000 are, after Israel has come up out of their graves .

This is talking about the resurrection when they come up out of their graves.

These are the same people reigning with Christ in revelation 20 before Gog and the nations come against them  in revelation 20 and Ezekiel 38.

Ezekiel 37

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

¹⁵ The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

¹⁶ Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

¹⁷ And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

¹⁸ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

¹⁹ Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

²⁰ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

²¹ And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

²² And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

²³ Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

²⁴ And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them

²⁵ And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

It's time to reconsider. The text above speaks of Israel's resurrection and gathering to thier LAND. The 144,000 of Revelation 14 are "redeemed FROM the earth". The setting in Revelation 14 is heaven.

Thanks for the Easter wishes. Very kind of you. But Easter is the feast of the Fertility goddess Ishtar (Diana of Ephesus), so I'll decline. But if you celebrate .... ?

[tatwo]

On 3/30/2024 at 11:57 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

No.

I'm talking about the two witnesses of Jesus who do everything Jesus commands them not to do in the gospel.

They arrive in Israel 3.5 years before the time of the end.Fire will proceed from their mouths.

You make things up...guess you like the "sound" your soul makes when it is amplified by the internet and reverberates through the hall ways of the darkness of your mind.

Tatwo...:)

[Shilohsfoal]

12 minutes ago, tatwo said:

You make things up...guess you like the "sound" your soul makes when it is amplified by the internet and reverberates through the hall ways of the darkness of your mind.

Tatwo...:)

Show me where Jesus commands them to torment and kill people as the scripture says they do.

 

If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

 

Quote Jesus as I have done here.

Mathew 7:13

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Edited April 1 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

It's time to reconsider. The text above speaks of Israel's resurrection and gathering to thier LAND. The 144,000 of Revelation 14 are "redeemed FROM the earth". The setting in Revelation 14 is heaven.

Thanks for the Easter wishes. Very kind of you. But Easter is the feast of the Fertility goddess Ishtar (Diana of Ephesus), so I'll decline. But if you celebrate .... ?

You sure revelation 14 is set in heaven?

You believe everyone in heaven will receive the mark of the beast in revelation 14?

Oh my

 

 

The redemption of the purchased possession does not take place before the tribulation in revelation 14.The Israelis are not redeemed untill after the tribulation and about the same time as when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem.

 

Luke 21

²⁸ And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

I think John gave a great description of the abomination of desolation in revelation  6 before the redemption of the 144,000 .Don't you?

[tatwo]

35 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Show me where Jesus commands them to torment and kill people as the scripture says they do.

 

If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

Fair enough Shiloh...fair enough...I will get back to you.

Tatwo...:)

[Shilohsfoal]

27 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Fair enough Shiloh...fair enough...I will get back to you.

Tatwo...:)

 

Remember to quote Jesus.The same guy who gave this commandment to his witnesses.

 

 

Mathew 5

⁴³ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

⁴⁴ But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

⁴⁵ That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Edited April 1 by Shilohsfoal

[AdHoc]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You sure revelation 14 is set in heaven?

You believe everyone in heaven will receive the mark of the beast in revelation 14?

Oh my

Did I say "Revelation 14" was in heaven, or did I say that "the 144,000 of Revelation 14 are in heaven".

Yes ... "Oh my". Not nice.

I think a pause in communications will be the best thing. We are unable to discuss a point like this.

[Shilohsfoal]

9 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Did I say "Revelation 14" was in heaven, or did I say that "the 144,000 of Revelation 14 are in heaven".

Yes ... "Oh my". Not nice.

I think a pause in communications will be the best thing. We are unable to discuss a point like this.

You said the scene in 14 is in heaven

"The scene of 7 is on earth
The scene of 14 is heaven. The 24 Elders and 4 creatures are there - same as Chapter 4"

 

Revelation 14 doesn't say the 144000 are in heaven.John says he sees an angle flying in heaven but he doesn't say the 144000 are flying in heaven.

If the scene in 14 is in heaven as you say, then them in verse 9 are about to get the mark of the beast.

 

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

² And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

³ And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

⁴ These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

⁵ And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

 

⁶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

⁷ Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

⁸ And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

⁹ And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

¹⁰ The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

 

¹¹ And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

¹² Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

¹³ And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

¹⁴ And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

¹⁵ And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

¹⁶ And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

 

¹⁷ And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

¹⁸ And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

²⁰ And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Did I say "Revelation 14" was in heaven, or did I say that "the 144,000 of Revelation 14 are in heaven".

Yes ... "Oh my". Not nice.

I think a pause in communications will be the best thing. We are unable to discuss a point like this.

Another thing to consider.While most of Israel.is being destroyed for worshiping the beast,there is a remnant being marked in their foreheads by Christ .Who are these in the land of Israel.being marked in their foreheads by Christ?

 

Ezekiel 9

9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

² And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

³ And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

⁴ And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

⁵ And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

 

⁶ Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

⁷ And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

⁸ And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

⁹ Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

¹⁰ And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

¹¹ And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

 

 

Who did this man mark in their foreheads in Jerusalem while the rest of Jerusalem we're being slaughtered?

Edited April 2 by Shilohsfoal

[R. Hartono]

16 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Show me where Jesus commands them to torment and kill people as the scripture says they do.

 

If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

 

Quote Jesus as I have done here.

Mathew 7:13

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Its God that empower them, why questioning God ?