Rapture

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

Sorry but just one last time as my wife goes into hospital today for a opp & will be bad for a good two weeks or more & this on top of having two small children & also myself being disabled I can not afford the time spent on this forum, so I have no idea when I will be able to come on again for at least two weeks or so.

First for what Justin has said HE HE HA HA HA HA HE HE HE HAR HAR HAR HE HE HE .

No matter what you say you will not change the facts YOU HAVE PROVEN NOTHING if anything we have proven through your refusal to take the chance to prove us all wrong, we have proven that you are wrong. As I have said I could post lots & lots of scripture to make my point but I have not done so. What I did was to give you all the chance to finally prove us all wrong & you can not do it & you refuse to do it. So that shows fear that you will be proven wrong in what you believe.

As I have said you are wrong you have been proven wrong & no matter what you now write or put or cut & paste you have been shown to be wrong & proven to be wrong & nothing is going to change that fact. I will post one last thing though. & here it is.

God Bless to you all

831

What Is Imminency?

In doing some research on the doctrine of imminency, I noticed few people take the time to actually define what prophetic imminency means. First, let us look at the general definition of the key word

[Guest Tennessee Elijah]

But don't be surprised when some day millions of believers suddenly come up missing.

I question the "missing" concept that is a common understanding.

"Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." Luke 17:33-46

The key to understanding these verses starts with a spiritual understanding of "save his life" and "lose his life." As we proceed after that eye-opener, we need to ask ourselves what the word "one" is making reference to -- a "body" or a "soul." When "one" of the "two men" or "two women" are taken, are we to assume that "blood and flesh" bodies are to be "snatched" from this planet -- or that souls are to be snatched from bodies? Did Jesus say anything about a "transformation" process or was He explaining that we must "die to our flesh" if we are to "preserve" our lives?

These questions have been asked only because I believe we need to ask God for clarification rather than leaning upon our own understanding.

Edited November 21, 2005 by Tennessee Elijah

[Guest 831]

Hi all.

To Quote dood0808 ( If there was a pre-trib. I have to ask why does the dragon battle the saints. If the saints are being battle in tribulation. Then they are not raptured. If raptured then why would Revelation 13 say this then.

Here is your answer, Biblical answer may I add you can check it all out in the Bible you will find that it is all there.

God Bless you all

831

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. )

The seventh chapter of the Book of Revelation describes the people who will be saved during the time of the Great Tribulation. First of all this chapter describes the sealing of the servants of God:

"And I heard the number of those sealed. 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed." Revelation 7.4

Then it describes the great multitude who are saved as a result of their witness:

"After these things I looked and behold a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, 'Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.'" Revelation 7.9-10

The identity of these believers is clearly given in this chapter:

"Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, 'Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?' And I said to him, 'Sir, you know.' So he said to me, 'These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.'" Revelation 7.13-14

The great tribulation is a seven year period which brings this age to an end:

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And if those days had not been shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened." - Jesus speaking in Matthew 24.21-22.

Revelation chapters 6-19 is a detailed prophecy of the time of the great tribulation. While many attempt to explain away the significance of this book, this magazine takes a literal view of the prophecy. Therefore according to Revelation 7, God is going to reveal supernaturally the identity of the Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) to 144,000 Jewish men, as he did to Saul of Tarsus (St Paul), who will then evangelise the world with tremendous effectiveness in the final period of this age. As a result of their witness a vast multitude from all races will be saved.

The fate of most of these believers will be martyrdom as the antichrist rises to power:

"When he opened the fifth seal I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held." Revelation 6.9

Halfway through the great tribulation (i.e. after 3

[Guest chris414]

I've looked at all the various scriptures that supposedly support the rapture. I don't believe that any one of these references is speaking of a seperate rapture. Look at the description of the rapture and then look at the description of the 2nd coming of Christ - very similar. I believe they are all talking about the 2nd coming when Jesus comes to fight the battle Armageddon. When Jesus appears in the clouds to fight, He will gather His follows to Him in the clouds.

The rapture, if it were to happen, would be a fairly significant event in history - 2 billion people would just disappear into thin air. Don't you think the Bible would explain more clearly what is going to happen so that those left behind would be able to know what had happened?

The main reason people want to believe the rapture is because they will be spared from the time of trial in the Tribulation. The Bible (varying between translations) promises to "rescue" or "keep" you from this time. Based on the meanings of these words, these verses can be argued two ways - either that it means a supernatural protection whereby Christians are removed from the face of the earth (rapture), or that it is a physical protection while we remain on earth. I think it is much more likely that we are given a physical protection where God helps us to endure the trials and struggles that face us. I believe this because we are told our faith is made stronger through trial (Acts 14:22). We should not fear the trials of the Tribulation because we are told that those who endure trial for the sake of Jesus will be greatly rewarded and will reign with him between the first and second resurrections (Rev 20:4-6).

I supose thats what makes me a post-tribber