AdHoc Posted March 11 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,077 Content Per Day: 3.29 Reputation: 1,469 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11 21 hours ago, Marilyn C said: It is NOT about Ruth but Christ the kinsman redeemer and that is for Israel. Christ and His church which is His Body, (male) (Eph. 1: 22 & 23) `And He put all things under Hos feet, and gave Him to be Head over all things to the church, which is His BODY, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.` (Eph. 1: 22 & 23) Christ is NOT Head over a female Body!!!! I'll let my answer stand. You can't, or won't answer my points. You pit one scripture against another which is not the way to convince anybody. However, all honor to you as a sister in the Lord. Go well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 11 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,044 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,952 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 11 22 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Christ is NOT Head over a female Body!!!! Metaphors can and do ascribe any gender they wish to get their meaning across, and metaphors use all sorts of images and concepts interchangeably. Eph 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her (26) to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, (27) and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, Michael37 said: Metaphors can and do ascribe any gender they wish to get their meaning across, and metaphors use all sorts of images and concepts interchangeably. Eph 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her (26) to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, (27) and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless. Hi Michael, The word `her` has been inserted. It should be `IT. ` (KJ) Looking back over the previous 4 Chapters of Ephesians we read of `the new man, ` (Eph. 4: 24) `perfect man,` (Eph. 4: 13) `one new man, `(Eph. 2: 15). There is no mention of a female there. Paul was just exhorting husbands to love their wives as Christ does the Church - which is His Body the new man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, AdHoc said: I'll let my answer stand. You can't, or won't answer my points. You pit one scripture against another which is not the way to convince anybody. However, all honor to you as a sister in the Lord. Go well. My point was that Jesus is the kinsman redeemer to Israel but you jumped over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 12 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,044 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,952 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Michael, The word `her` has been inserted. It should be `IT. ` (KJ) Looking back over the previous 4 Chapters of Ephesians we read of `the new man, ` (Eph. 4: 24) `perfect man,` (Eph. 4: 13) `one new man, `(Eph. 2: 15). There is no mention of a female there. Paul was just exhorting husbands to love their wives as Christ does the Church - which is His Body the new man. Yes, translations do differ, and the exhortation does rely on analogy between the love of Christ for His ekklesia and the love of husbands for their wives, so the feminine imagery is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 12 13 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Yes, translations do differ, and the exhortation does rely on analogy between the love of Christ for His ekklesia and the love of husbands for their wives, so the feminine imagery is there. But with no backup scriptures. I ask men, do you say to an unbelieving male, `Come to Jesus and be His bride? ` I think not. It really amazes me how so many men (especially) do believe that they as men are a bride. Not having been taught this teaching I am amazed. Having been to Bible College I know that doctrine has to be clear and clearly developed just as Paul wrote of the Body being the New Man in the first 4 chapters of Ephesians. Also, a doctrine is not based on a type, symbol, imagery, etc but clear straight forward development of teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 12 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,044 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,952 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Marilyn C said: But with no backup scriptures. I ask men, do you say to an unbelieving male, `Come to Jesus and be His bride? ` I think not. It really amazes me how so many men (especially) do believe that they as men are a bride. Not having been taught this teaching I am amazed. Having been to Bible College I know that doctrine has to be clear and clearly developed just as Paul wrote of the Body being the New Man in the first 4 chapters of Ephesians. Also, a doctrine is not based on a type, or symbol but clear straight forward development of teaching. I repeatedly encounter the mistaking of the metaphorical for the literal, and refuse to indulge in it myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Michael37 said: I repeatedly encounter the mistaking of the metaphorical for the literal, and refuse to indulge in it myself. So, are you saying that you think the `bride`is spiritual therefore it is ok? But God`s right and wrong does not change in the spirit. A `bride`is female,`and you are certainly not that whether in the natural or spiritual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 12 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,044 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,952 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: So, are you saying that you think the `bride`is spiritual therefore it is ok? But God`s right and wrong does not change in the spirit. A `bride`is female,`and you are certainly not that whether in the natural or spiritual. Still a metaphor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 12 17 hours ago, Michael37 said: Still a metaphor. Yes, but not one that we can build a doctrine on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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