Jesus coming on a white horse in Revelation 19 is not the second coming

[JoeCanada]

On 5/9/2024 at 5:54 PM, Montana Marv said:

The Question is; When does Christ the King dismount the White Horse and rule the nations.

When the seventh angel sounded the trumpet....

"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ and He will reign forever and ever....

You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign"........... Rev 11:15-17

The seventh trumpet is the inauguration of Jesus. It is when the transfer of ownership of the title deed to the earth  from Satan to Jesus has officially been made.

And it is at the seventh trumpet that Jesus has "begun to reign"

It is not until at the end of the bowl judgments that Jesus and His heavenly armies wage war against the beast and those who follow him..... Rev 19:11-21

So, His rule comes before He attacks Satan and those whom he has gathered to fight the King of Kings.

[Revelation Man]

On 5/11/2024 at 8:51 AM, JoeCanada said:

When the seventh angel sounded the trumpet....

"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ and He will reign forever and ever....

You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign"........... Rev 11:15-17

The seventh trumpet is the inauguration of Jesus. It is when the transfer of ownership of the title deed to the earth  from Satan to Jesus has officially been made.

And it is at the seventh trumpet that Jesus has "begun to reign"

It is not until at the end of the bowl judgments that Jesus and His heavenly armies wage war against the beast and those who follow him..... Rev 19:11-21

So, His rule comes before He attacks Satan and those whom he has gathered to fight the King of Kings.

Here is why you are always getting conflated on TIMELINES my friend. You miss who Rev. 11 is about. The Two-Witnesses. It covers the full 1260 days of the troubles of Jacob plus they show up 75 days before (at the 1335) in order to get Israel to repent. So, what was the Two-witnesses job? Well Rev. 11 tells us in the first 3 verses if we listen.

Rev. 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

So, the Two-witnesses were only given 1260 days to prophesy and to pray down the Lord God's Plagues upon all mankind who refused to repent. They DIE at the 2nd Woe so why do we get told about the 7th Trump which brings victory? That has to be later on right? Of course it is, but we are told the 3rd Woe comes quickly because they prayed the 3rd Woe down before they died, and the 3rd Woe was emitted from the 7th Trump AND is made up of the 7 Vials.

They show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming ends all these wonders Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. They get Israel to repent before the DOTL as Zech. 13:8-9 shows, wee see 1/3 repent then the very next verse it seems, (Zechariah 14:1) seems because it brings the Day of the Lord. 

Measure the TEMPLE........and the Altar.........and those which worship therein. That means only the Jews, MEASURE NOT the Gentiles [outer court). So, the Two-witnesses only job, like Jesus' was is to go only unto the Jews/Israel. 

So, when we are told the 7th Trump will bring Victory, that's a fact, and we see that happen in Rev. 16, JUST LIKE we see the 2nd Woe happening in Rev. 9, not in Rev. 11. We also see the 3rd Woe in Revelation 16, but since Revelation 11 is the Two-witnesses chapter, we are told the 7th Trump brings victory, and it does, in Rev. 16:19 at the 7th Vial, which emits from the 7th Trump, and all 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe. So, what you see in Rev. 11 is us being told that this 7th Trump will eventually bring victory, and of course it does in Rev. 16:19 which is a real time event. Rev. 19 is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter, as is Rev. 11 and Rev. 14.

One of these days you are going to understand the book of Revelation has many parenthetical Chapters. The 7th Trump only BEGINS the 3rd Woe which must last 75 days. You see, the Two-witnesses and the Beasts 1260 days can not run parallel. They show up before the Beast so they must also die before the Beast dies. 

Edited May 13 by Revelation Man

[The Light]

On 5/2/2024 at 8:40 PM, JoeCanada said:

 

 

The rapture is secondary to the resurrection. The resurrection happens first, and then the rapture..... 1 Thes 4:15

I believe Matthew 24:29-31 is the same as Paul's teaching in 1 Thes 4:15-17.......

 

Joe, I want to say that you are one of the few that understand that the coming of Jesus is Matthew 24 is not the coming of Jesus in Revelation 19. Well done.

However, the coming of Jesus in 1 Thes 4 is NOT the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 happens at the 6th seal. It is the second harvest and is seen here.

1 Corinthians 15

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At this coming the dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye.......at the same time. In 1 Thes 4 the dead are raised first. This is the barley harvest. Jesus then returns with the dead for the wheat harvest which is the alive that remained.

There are two raptures. The pretrib rapture of the Church (the grain harvest, barley and wheat) before the seals are opened and the pre wrath (or post trib) rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth.

Only those that are of the woman, Israel, that fled to a place of protection and unbelievers will be on earth during the wrath of God. All others will be in heaven.

What people call post trib is when Jesus returns on a white horse. However, this is incorrect. That is post wrath. Post trib is at the 6th seal............immediately after the tribulation and before wrath. Most scholars think that tribulation and wrath are the same thing............THEY ARE NOT.

 

Edited May 13 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Joe, I want to say that you are one of the few that understand that the coming of Jesus is Matthew 24 is not the coming of Jesus in Revelation 19. Well done.

The 2nd Coming (really 2nd Advent, Jesus comes to earth many times) is seen in Matt. 24:30-31, in Rev. 11 7th Trump ENDS with Jesus returning, however it is after the Two-witnesses die. Its also seen Rev. 19:17-20, and in Rev. 16:19, and in Revelation chapter 14. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

However, the coming of Jesus in 1 Thes 4 is NOT the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 happens at the 6th seal. It is the second harvest and is seen here.

1 Corinthians 15

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At this coming the dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye.......at the same time. In 1 Thes 4 the dead are raised first. This is the barley harvest. Jesus then returns with the dead for the wheat harvest which is the alive that remained.

There are two raptures. The pretrib rapture of the Church (the grain harvest, barley and wheat) before the seals are opened and the pre wrath (or post trib) rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth.

Only those that are of the woman, Israel, that fled to a place of protection and unbelievers will be on earth during the wrath of God. All others will be in heaven.

The Pre 70th week or Pre Trib. Rapture can be seen in Matt. 24:36-51, and also in 1 Thess. 4, and in 1 Cor. 15, The Dead and those alive are raised at the SAME TIME, Paul was merely trying to reassure the Thessalonians that their loved ones had not been forsaken. A Twinkling of an eye takes less then a second, so its really the exact SAME TIME. 

The 12 Tribes are never raptured, they are protected in the Petra/Borah area so Jesus can rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years via the promised Kingdom Age. The Jews who get raptured pre 70th week trib. will be a part of the Church, marrying the Lamb in Heaven. There are no tribes across the earth, all 12 tribes ae now in Israel. Gd says in Ezekiel 37 tat He brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel back int the land. 

Jesus does not show up at the 6th Seal, he shows up at the 7th Vial. The 6th Seal is not a Judgment its a Prophetic Utterance foretelling what the First Four Trumps will bring, wrath and darkness

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The 2nd Coming (really 2nd Advent, Jesus comes to earth many times)

The second coming happens at the 6th seal, when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. He remains in the clouds at the gathering from heaven and all return ot heaven for the marriage supper. That is why there is a great multitude in Revelation 7

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

is seen in Matt. 24:30-31, in Rev. 11 7th Trump ENDS with Jesus returning, however it is after the Two-witnesses die. Its also seen Rev. 19:17-20, and in Rev. 16:19, and in Revelation chapter 14. 

This what Joe Canada is trying to explain. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is not the coming of Jesus at the 7th trumpet.

The seventh trumpet second advent is the same as Jesus coming in Rev 19.

However, the second coming seen in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus in Revleation 14. This occurs at the 6th seal.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The Pre 70th week or Pre Trib.

I used to think that the pre trib rapture happened pre 70th week as I thought Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood. Noah loads the animals on the 1st day so Noah is in the ark 6 days before the flood. Hence the pretrib rapture will occur 1 year after the 70th week has begun. That would mean if the rapture happened this year, the 70th week will have already begun.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 also in 1 Thess. 4, and in 1 Cor. 15, The Dead and those alive are raised at the SAME TIME, Paul was merely trying to reassure the Thessalonians that their loved ones had not been forsaken. A Twinkling of an eye takes less then a second, so its really the exact SAME TIME. 

The coming of Jesus for the Church is 1 Thes 4. This happens at the trump of God or voice of God. This rapture will be like the days of Noah. This is the grain harvest where the dead rise first as we will not precede the dead. Then the Lord will return for the alive that remained. 

1 Cor 15 is the fall fruit harvest. The dead and alive are changed at the same time. It happens at the Last Trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. It will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came. That is why the wrath of God begins at the 6th seal IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation.

Revelation 6

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The 12 Tribes are never raptured, they are protected in the Petra/Borah area so Jesus can rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years via the promised Kingdom Age.

Certainly the 12 tribes are raptured. They are the seed of the woman who the dragon goes after when he can't get to the Woman. It is the woman, that has fled to the place of protection.

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The Jews who get raptured pre 70th week trib. will be a part of the Church, marrying the Lamb in Heaven.

Ok. And then the seed of the woman will have the blindness removed and they will see that Jesus is the Messiah. We are told not to be ignorant of this mystery.

Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

There are no tribes across the earth, all 12 tribes ae now in Israel.

Are you saying that there are no Jews in New York or any other city across the earth?

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

Gd says in Ezekiel 37 tat He brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel back int the land. 

 

Ezekiel 4

1 Thou also, son of man, take thee a tile, and lay it before thee, and pourtray upon it the city, even Jerusalem:

2 And lay siege against it, and build a fort against it, and cast a mount against it; set the camp also against it, and set battering rams against it round about.

3 Moreover take thou unto thee an iron pan, and set it for a wall of iron between thee and the city: and set thy face against it, and it shall be besieged, and thou shalt lay siege against it. This shall be a sign to the house of Israel.

4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity.

5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.

6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

7 Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it.

8 And, behold, I will lay bands upon thee, and thou shalt not turn thee from one side to another, till thou hast ended the days of thy siege.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Jesus does not show up at the 6th Seal, he shows up at the 7th Vial.

The 6th seal is the second coming. It is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Jesus remains in the clouds as all eyes see the coming of the Lord.

The coming of Jesus at the 7th vial is when the 2 advent will occur. By the way we see the same coming at the 7th trumpet.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The 6th Seal is not a Judgment its a Prophetic Utterance foretelling what the First Four Trumps will bring, wrath and darkness

Absolutely, positively NOT. 

The 6th seal is the second coming of Jesus IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation and before the wrath of God. This is the coming of Jesus we see in Matthew 24. It is also the coming of Jesus we see in Revelation 14. Jesus remains in the clouds and we all return to heaven for the marriage supper. That is why there is a great multitude in Rev 7 with SOME coming out of Great Tribulation. 

The coming of Jesus at the 7th vial, the second advent is the same coming we see at the 7th trumpet. It is also the same coming we see in Revelation 19.

Most people think that the second coming and second advent are the same but they are not.

 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

This what Joe Canada is trying to explain. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is not the coming of Jesus at the 7th trumpet.

The seventh trumpet second advent is the same as Jesus coming in Rev 19.

However, the second coming seen in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus in Revleation 14. This occurs at the 6th seal.

But he is wrong, and so are you. Matt. 24:29-31 is vs. 29 the Middle of the Week Asteroid Impact (or DOTL God's Wrath). Vs. 30-31 is then the 2nd coming "so to speak" because Jesus has been to the earth MANY TIMES, for his Second Advent on earth. He gathers the Elect "Jews" from the Petra/Bozrah area. Of course Matthew 24:30-31 is the Second Coming, we see the Anti-Christ & False Prophet in Matt. 24:24. The Rapture is seen in verses 36-51 as in the days of Noah they will not be drinking partying, marrying as if times were normal just before the 2nd coming after God slay billions of people.

The 6th Seal is not a REAL TIME EVENT, it is God opening up the 7 Seals which BIND His Judgments, the 7 Trumps emit ALL of God's Judgments/Wrath, the reason we can say that is the 7 Vials, which are the 3rd Woe, emits from the 7th Trump. The 7 Thunders in Rev. 10 therefore are the 7 Trumps.

Lets look at it this way, I have 7 Bombs I am going to hit Red China with during a war. All of my anger will be expressed in these 7 bombs, but alas the 7th one is a CLUSTER BOMB which first drops hundreds of smaller missiles, and then each one targets a different target. You may say the 100 missiles are the last part of my wrath, but they still came from the 7th Bomb. So, the 7 Trumps CONTAIN all of God's Wrath. The Seals open up the bound scrolls which have the DECREE that Gods wrath is about to fall. God always announced His wrath to come first. Its beyond me how anyone can still say the Seals are Judgments. 

 

[The Light]

30 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

But he is wrong, and so are you. Matt. 24:29-31 is vs. 29 the Middle of the Week Asteroid Impact (or DOTL God's Wrath). Vs. 30-31 is then the 2nd coming "so to speak" because Jesus has been to the earth MANY TIMES, for his Second Advent on earth. He gathers the Elect "Jews" from the Petra/Bozrah area.

The woman, Israel, who is in the place of protection, meets Jesus on the earth. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, the second coming is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal, is the coming of Jesus in Revelation 14

That has nothing to do with the coming of Jesus on a white horse with the armies of heaven. Which happens at the end of the trumpets which is the same timeframe as the vials.

30 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The 6th Seal is not a REAL TIME EVENT,

Where do you get this? The 6th seal is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. 

Rev 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The great tribulation is NOT the wrath of God

30 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 

it is God opening up the 7 Seals which BIND His Judgments, the 7 Trumps emit ALL of God's Judgments/Wrath, the reason we can say that is the 7 Vials, which are the 3rd Woe, emits from the 7th Trump. The 7 Thunders in Rev. 10 therefore are the 7 Trumps.

The 7 vials are just a different view with different information of the 7 trumpets. BOTH are the wrath of God.

30 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 So, the 7 Trumps CONTAIN all of God's Wrath.

Exactly. Just as the 7 vials contain all Gods wrath. The vials and trumpets take place in the same timeframe. They are different views within the same timeframe. Both are the wrath of God. Wrath is over and done at the 7th trumpet, just like wrath is over and done at the 7th vial

30 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The Seals open up the bound scrolls which have the DECREE that Gods wrath is about to fall.

No sir. The seals take place during the tribulation. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION The trumpets and vials begin. They are the wrath of God.

You keep saying that the seals are not actionable. Here are the 1st 6 seals. They have absolutely nothing to do with the wrath of God

Matthew 24

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

Revelation 6

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

 

God always announced His wrath to come first. Its beyond me how anyone can still say the Seals are Judgments. 

 

The seals are all the things written about in Matthew 24 beginning with False Christs and ending with the second coming when Jesus remains in the clouds.

The wrath of God is the trumpet and vials which occur in the same frame.

Jesus is on earth at the 7th trumpet just as Jesus is on earth at the 7th vial. He is not on earth when He comes in Matthew 24

 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

I used to think that the pre trib rapture happened pre 70th week as I thought Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood. Noah loads the animals on the 1st day so Noah is in the ark 6 days before the flood. Hence the pretrib rapture will occur 1 year after the 70th week has begun. That would mean if the rapture happened this year, the 70th week will have already begun.

People that continually change their understanding of something never had a revelation by God or they would not be changing. That's what happens when we read books by other men or listen to men's ideas. They key is the people were acting normal until the floods came. 

The TIME of the Gentiles coming FULL is our SERVICE as the church on earth. The 70th week and the Rapture starts at the same time, the TRIGGER is Israel joining the European Union.  

 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

The coming of Jesus for the Church is 1 Thes 4. This happens at the trump of God or voice of God. This rapture will be like the days of Noah. This is the grain harvest where the dead rise first as we will not precede the dead. Then the Lord will return for the alive that remained. 

1 Cor 15 is the fall fruit harvest. The dead and alive are changed at the same time. It happens at the Last Trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. It will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came. That is why the wrath of God begins at the 6th seal IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation.

As I stated, 1 Cor. 15 AND 1 Thess. 4 are both a pre 70th week pre trib. Rapture, as is Rev. 4:1. The Last Trump merely means it happens in the Fall, not during the 70th week per se. As a matter of fact it proves the Church Age ENDS before Israel ATONES (Feast #6) as Zech. 13:8-9 (1/3 repent) and Zech. 14:1 (DOTL Arrives) shows. The Trumps always ended the Harvest seasons, we are harvesting souls for Jesus as the Church for 2000 some odd years, all that changed at the LAST TRUMP. 

The Wrath doesn't begin IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation, nowhere in Revelation 6 does it say that anyway, that is YOUR IDEA. Rev. 6 Prophesies what is soon to come, and God Wrath comes as the Trumpet Judgements hit (The Apophis Asteroid Impact). Why is it you can not grasp that God can foretells us what men in the future will be thinking and saying?

What you miss with Matt. 24:29 (and try to plunge it into Rev. 6) is that the Sun and Moon going dark IMMEDISTELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days is talking about at the MIDWAY POINT when the Asteroid hits !! It causes Trees to burn BEFORE it hits via Trump #1, then it makes IMACT Trump #2, then its FALLOUT poisons the fresh waters and finally the Sun & Moon go dim/darkened by 1/3 via all the smoke. So, this all happens at ONE TIME, boom, boom, boom, and you still have 1260 days i=until Jesus returns in vs. 30-31. Well, maybe 1220 days, or 1200 days, but once those 1/3 trees start burning, it will not burn for 1260 days (SMILE........Come in man). Use you common sense here brother. I will match this up with Zech. 14:1-3 to show you how we get the same 1260 day JUMP in time, via Prophecy

Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation(Mean AS SOON as the Asteroid hits not 1260 days later) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light(So, you really think it takes 1260 days fir the burning trees to start dimming the Sun and Moon? Makes no sense brother), and the stars shall fall from heaven(As aster....Now Asteroid), and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken(Satan is CAST OUT at the 1260 event):

30 And then (1260 days LATER) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds(Israel), from one end of heaven to the other.

Now watch this, after 1/3 of Israel repents in Zech. 13:8-9 we see the EXAXT SAME EVENTS just as we saw it in Matt. 24:29-31.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh(God's Wrath arrives via an Asteroid), and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then (again, 1260 days LATER) shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

So, in both instance, the DOTL arrives, and THEN......Jesus returns, your problem is prophecy does not give us events as close together as you assume or think it should, God's way is correct, of course, we do not need 1260 days of word salad which adds nothing, we need t know the Wrath starts in the Middle of the week and you should know that, we all do, BUT...........you do not grasp God is saying IMMEDUALY AFTER the Tribulation the Sun and Moon o dark, you JUMP to his second coming. But God just gave us a play by play, firstly, the Sun and Moon going dark which Joel spoke of happens IMMEDIATLY AFTER God Wrath hits the earth by wat of an Asteroid. THEN...........Jesus returns but we KNOW there is a 1260 day gap in  between these two events. You place vs. 29 as going with vs. 30, I don't because I understand there is a 1260 day gap. 

In Zech. 14:1-2 we see the DOTL arrives, Jerusalem gets sacked and THEN....1260 days later Jesus shows up in vs. 3. Yu see both verses have 1260 day jumps, both Matt. 24:29 and Zech. 14:2 JUMP 1260 days. If God had told us about every day in existence the bible would have 10,000 THIVCK VOLUMES !! No one would have even read it. The Bible is nice and concise, Amen. 

2 hours ago, The Light said:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Jesus is foretelling FUTURE EVENTS. He is telling us how they will think when His wrath finally his in Rev. 8. That is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8.