Christians CAN believe in evolution... if they understand neither

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 

I was referring to when the soul is created and placed into the body.  I don't know and nobody else does either.  But there are lots of opinions.

To conceive a son, the son must have a soul. Samson's mother had to do all the things necessary of a Nazite from the beginning of the conception until birth. Scripture doesn't say she will conceive a fetus which will become a son.

Jughes 13

2 Now there was a man from Zorah named Manoah, from the clan of the Danites, whose wife was barren and had no children.

3 The angel of the LORD appeared to the woman and said to her, “It is true that you are barren and have no children; but you will conceive and give birth to a son.

4 Now please be careful not to drink wine or strong drink, and not to eat anything unclean.

5 For behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son. And no razor shall come over his head, because the boy will be a Nazirite to God from the womb, and he will begin the deliverance of Israel from the hand of the Philistines.”

6 So the woman went and told her husband, “A man of God came to me. His appearance was like the angel of God, exceedingly awesome. I did not ask him where he came from, and he did not tell me his name.

7 But he said to me, ‘Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son. Now, therefore, do not drink wine or strong drink, and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite to God from the womb until the day of his death.’ ”

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

FreeGrace said:

I don't believe the soul is given after being disconnected.  Maybe you should quote what I said, because I don't believe what you said I said.  I'm guessing you just misunderstood what I said.

You wouldn't have mentioned umbilical cord if you didn’t.

All you had to do was find where I mentioned the umbilical cord and show me.

Since you didn't, I assume what I said doesn't really support what you claimed about what I said.

So, here's another chance to show evidence for your claim.

One thing I do know is what I believe.  

[BeyondET]

4 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

All you had to do was find where I mentioned the umbilical cord and show me.

Since you didn't, I assume what I said doesn't really support what you claimed about what I said.

So, here's another chance to show evidence for your claim.

One thing I do know is what I believe.  

It's not about showing evidence to anyone, it's my perception.

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

  FreeGrace said:

I was referring to when the soul is created and placed into the body.  I don't know and nobody else does either.  But there are lots of opinions.

To conceive a son, the son must have a soul.

Sure, the father and mother.  Claiming conception includes a soul for the zygote is just another opinion.  There is no substantiation for the opinion.

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Samson's mother had to do all the things necessary of a Nazite from the beginning of the conception until birth. Scripture doesn't say she will conceive a fetus which will become a son.

Let's be clear.  Scripture also doesn't say fetuses have souls.  What Samson's mother had to do had nothing to do with Samson having a soul.  btw, could you cite the Scripture where your statement is supported?  Thanks.

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Jughes 13

2 Now there was a man from Zorah named Manoah, from the clan of the Danites, whose wife was barren and had no children.

3 The angel of the LORD appeared to the woman and said to her, “It is true that you are barren and have no children; but you will conceive and give birth to a son.

4 Now please be careful not to drink wine or strong drink, and not to eat anything unclean.

5 For behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son. And no razor shall come over his head, because the boy will be a Nazirite to God from the womb, and he will begin the deliverance of Israel from the hand of the Philistines.”

6 So the woman went and told her husband, “A man of God came to me. His appearance was like the angel of God, exceedingly awesome. I did not ask him where he came from, and he did not tell me his name.

7 But he said to me, ‘Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son. Now, therefore, do not drink wine or strong drink, and do not eat anything unclean, because the boy will be a Nazirite to God from the womb until the day of his death.’ ”

OK, thanks.  I don't real whole posts before I reply.  I go one line at a time.

However, there is nothing here about the zygote/fetus having a soul.

Wine/strong drink affects the physical body.  What she eats/drinks does affect the zygote/fetus in her womb.  But again, there is nothing about a soul.

Do you think what one drinks affects/changes/damages/etc a soul??  If so, where does the Bible teach that idea?  Thanks.

[FreeGrace]

2 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

It's not about showing evidence to anyone, it's my perception.

Yes, thank you.  It's just your own opinion.  No facts, no nothing.

Wanting someone to believe your claims, evidence is needed.  If all you  have is an opinion, just say so.

[BeyondET]

18 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Sure, the father and mother.  Claiming conception includes a soul for the zygote is just another opinion.  There is no substantiation for the opinion.

Let's be clear.  Scripture also doesn't say fetuses have souls.  What Samson's mother had to do had nothing to do with Samson having a soul.  btw, could you cite the Scripture where your statement is supported?  Thanks.

OK, thanks.  I don't real whole posts before I reply.  I go one line at a time.

However, there is nothing here about the zygote/fetus having a soul.

Wine/strong drink affects the physical body.  What she eats/drinks does affect the zygote/fetus in her womb.  But again, there is nothing about a soul.

Do you think what one drinks affects/changes/damages/etc a soul??  If so, where does the Bible teach that idea?  Thanks.

Fetus/zygote is your secular wording, the words are not in the bible.

It was all about Samson, his mother wasn't a Nazite. But she was required because of Samson.

Edited August 7, 2024 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

3 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Yes, thank you.  It's just your own opinion.  No facts, no nothing.

Wanting someone to believe your claims, evidence is needed.  If all you  have is an opinion, just say so.

I don't need facts to believe in my perception. That's the flaw of your notion, it's not about wanting others to believe in my claim.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

Fetus/zygote is your secular wording, the words are not in the bible.

You know what I am talking about.  And the Bible uses "secular words" such as womb, hair, hands, feet, etc.  And other secular things.

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

It was all about Samson, his mother wasn't a Nazite. But she was required because of Samson.

So what?  Doesn't prove or even suggest that Samson in the womb (secular word) had a soul.

The focus on no hard drinks for mom was about the physical body NOT the soul.

You're not making your point.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

I don't need facts to believe in my perception.

You do need facts to convince others of your opinions.

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

That's the flaw of your notion, it's not about wanting others to believe in my claim.

Oh, it makes no difference to me what kind of opinions others have.  Everyone is free to their own opinions.  

I don't have "flaws in my notions".  I don't believe your opinions, so we're good, since that isn't your purpose.  

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

You know what I am talking about.  And the Bible uses "secular words" such as womb, hair, hands, feet, etc.  And other secular things.

So what?  Doesn't prove or even suggest that Samson in the womb (secular word) had a soul.

The focus on no hard drinks for mom was about the physical body NOT the soul.

You're not making your point.

I know you use those words because you know there are not in the bible. So your premise has been to ask to show you a verse with fetus.

Exactly what I expected you to say, So what.