Christians CAN believe in evolution... if they understand neither

[BeyondET]

57 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Trying to get you to stop the nonsense posting with your word games.  And stalling.

I'm trying to understand your wording. It doesn't make any sense.

I'd rather not give you anymore ammunition to try and contradict something you are incapable of believing.

If there was a thousand verses none of them would break down the wall you have created. You have encased yourself in concrete. It would take a jackhammer to free your mind.

Edited August 8, 2024 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Trying to get you to stop the nonsense posting with your word games.  And stalling.

I'll ask you one question did Adam have a heart beat before the breath? If not then it's not the same as today and you can't use that analogy.

Edited August 8, 2024 by BeyondET

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

I'm trying to understand your wording. It doesn't make any sense.

I'm speaking English.  Do you prefer another language??  My question was simple enough.  Is there a verse that indicates that unborn babies have a soul?  I can't ask it any more simpler.

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

I'd rather not give you anymore ammunition to try and contradict something you are incapable of believing.

Now, this is just downright low ball.  Why resort to ad hominem?  Is that all you have?

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

If there was a thousand verses none of them would break down the wall you have created.

And I suppose you can describe this "wall" I supposedly created??

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

You have encased yourself in concrete. It would take a jackhammer to free your mind.

So far, all I've seen from your posts are dodging the question.  There is no concrete or jackhammers in my posts.  Just answer the question, or admit there are no verses that indicate that unborn babies have souls.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

I'll ask you one question did Adam have a heart beat before the breath? If not then it's not the same as today and you can't use that analogy.

Your question is irrelevant to my question.  Since you keep dodging my simple question, I'll just ask another one, based on your irrelevant question.

Does the Bible indicate whether a heart beat is related to having a soul?  If so, please show the evidence.

[RV_Wizard]

A baby has brain activity at around 42 days.  This is consistent with the ancient beliefs that the soul enters the body after 40 days.  So time time thereafter we have a functioning mind in addition to a beating heart.  The spirit and the soul are not the same thing.  The spirit comes from God.  The spirit separates us from the animals.  The spirit is that eternal part of us that will spend eternity somewhere.  Perhaps, then, the soul comes to us when brain activity begins, and the spirit is sent to us from God some time after.  These questions are not revealed in Scripture.

Edited August 8, 2024 by RV_Wizard

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Just answer the question, or admit there are no verses that indicate that unborn babies have souls.

I don't admit to someone's belief in what the Bible indicates unless I feel like I believe it too. Sorry but that's not happening.

[Sparks]

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

A baby has brain activity at around 42 days.  This is consistent with the ancient beliefs that the soul enters the body after 40 days.  So time time thereafter we have a functioning mind in addition to a beating heart.  The spirit and the soul are not the same thing.  The spirit comes from God.  The spirit separates us from the animals.  The spirit is that eternal part of us that will spend eternity somewhere.  Perhaps, then, the soul comes to us when brain activity begins, and the spirit is sent to us from God some time after.  These questions are not revealed in Scripture.

You are debating against some variant of the Gap Theory, if you are wondering where most of this argument is coming from.

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

A baby has brain activity at around 42 days.  This is consistent with the ancient beliefs that the soul enters the body after 40 days.  So time time thereafter we have a functioning mind in addition to a beating heart.  The spirit and the soul are not the same thing.  The spirit comes from God.  The spirit separates us from the animals.  The spirit is that eternal part of us that will spend eternity somewhere.  Perhaps, then, the soul comes to us when brain activity begins, and the spirit is sent to us from God some time after.  These questions are not revealed in Scripture.

Hmm interesting thanks.

I find it fascinating about the light flash that happens at conception. Imo the scripture describes the soul similar to light, which if I'm not mistaken God is light, angels, why wouldn't a soul.

Now the flash could be the soul that is engulfed hovering the whole zygote until that moment of 40 days.

Edited August 8, 2024 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

You are debating against some variant of the Gap Theory, if you are wondering where most of this argument is coming from.

I'm pretty used to certain belief structures being linked to a total perversion of the Scriptures.

[RV_Wizard]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

I find it fascinating about the light flash that happens at conception. Imo the scripture describes the soul similar to light, which if I'm not mistaken God is light, angels, why wouldn't a soul.

I  think God knows which babies are going to be aborted.  Being merciful, He likely either doesn't impart a human spirit, or takes it home before the act.  We won't know until we get to Heaven.  Regardless, there are 3,000 babies murdered in the US every day.  If they have spirits, their spirits go immediately to Heaven.  Those who participate in this slaughter will have much to answer for.