Theistic Evolution

[The Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Diamond said:

Freudian psychoanalysis is both a method of treatment and a way of understanding the mind¹. It has influenced many other psychological theories and therapies, even though some of Freud’s ideas are considered controversial or outdated today².

No kidding.

7 hours ago, Diamond said:

Today they do a lot more with what they call chemical imbalance. They have no actual treatment for something like PTSD that is psychological and not actually chemical or some sort of imbalance.

My son has depression.    It's a chemical thing in his brain.   Medical treatment keeps him doing fine.

I'm thinking PTSD is rewiring connections (which is how learning works) in a way that makes it impossible to ignore.

[Diamond]

50 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

No kidding.

My son has depression.    It's a chemical thing in his brain.   Medical treatment keeps him doing fine.

I'm thinking PTSD is rewiring connections (which is how learning works) in a way that makes it impossible to ignore.

After my last operation recovery was slow and I realized it was because my attitude was so negative. So I started reading a lot of positive scripture to encourage me and my recovery began to get better so I was able to do more and more. 

The unconscious or autonomic nervous system is complex and not very well understood by most people. We have a fight, flee or freeze response that tends to be more primitive and somewhat confused by our more modern world. 

The vagus nerve is a key part of the autonomic nervous system, which controls unconscious bodily functions like breathing, digestion, and sweating. The vagus nerve is also a major part of the parasympathetic nervous system, which calms the body after stressful situations.

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

Since Darwin attributed the origin of life to God, you're obviously mistaken.

TE is just a religious belief that accepts God's creation as it is.

So is gravity.   Don't step off any high buildings.     You've confusing the observed phenomena of gravity and evolution with the theories that explain them.

You have it backwards.   Even knowledgeable YE creationists admit it's a very good theory:
Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason.

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood 

https://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2009/09/truth-about-evolution.html

That would be YE creationism.    YE is part of a number of religions, including Wicca and Islam.

 

Fine. Then you go ahead and believe what you want. I'll take God at his word.

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

Fine. Then you go ahead and believe what you want.

You, too.   I'll take God at His word. 

As you see, even knowledgeable YE creationists admit that there is lots of evidence for evolution...

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it."

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood

Edited September 5, 2024 by The Barbarian
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[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Diamond said:

After my last operation recovery was slow and I realized it was because my attitude was so negative. So I started reading a lot of positive scripture to encourage me and my recovery began to get better so I was able to do more and more. 

The unconscious or autonomic nervous system is complex and not very well understood by most people. We have a fight, flee or freeze response that tends to be more primitive and somewhat confused by our more modern world. 

The vagus nerve is a key part of the autonomic nervous system, which controls unconscious bodily functions like breathing, digestion, and sweating. The vagus nerve is also a major part of the parasympathetic nervous system, which calms the body after stressful situations.

"The Power of Positive Thinking" is a cliche', but it's true.   I have no doubt that it works.    It works for me.   Bringing the Lord into it, certainly helps.   He listens and gives you what you need.

Not always what you want, but always what you need.

Edited September 5, 2024 by The Barbarian

[Diamond]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

Not always what you want, but always what you need.

He gives us the desires of our Hearts. It only makes sense that we align our hearts with His so that He gives us what He desires to give us. In everything we are to give thanks. I was raised to give thanks to people also if they do something for us. 

[Diamond]

On 8/23/2024 at 6:52 AM, RV_Wizard said:

NOBODY in the church rejected the six day creation. 

The question is: What is a day?  

The first person widely recognized as a dispensationalist is John Nelson Darby (1800-1882). He was an influential figure in the development of dispensationalism, a theological framework that views history as divided into distinct periods or “dispensations” in which God interacts with humanity in different ways¹². Darby’s teachings were later popularized in the United States through the efforts of evangelists and the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible³.

I actually read the Ryrie Study Bible. Four times. They fall apart eventually but when the second one wore out I did not buy a third. I was starting to disagree with him. 

Charles Ryrie agreed with some of the points in Calvinism, holding to total depravity and unconditional election, though he taught that the atonement was universal. Ryrie was a dispensationalist, holding to a pretribulation rapture.

Two very popular study Bible are written from a dispensations perspective where A day is 1,000 years OR a day can be a dispensation. For example, the church age is 2,000 years and that is two days. Adam lived 6,000 years ago and that would be six days. 

Edited September 5, 2024 by Diamond

[JohnD]

23 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

You, too.   I'll take God at His word. 

As you see, even knowledgeable YE creationists admit that there is lots of evidence for evolution...

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it."

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood

Within a species. Microevolution. It's macroevolution that is unfounded and unbiblical.

[The Barbarian]

As you see, even knowledgeable YE creationists admit that there is lots of evidence for evolution...

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it."

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Within a species. Microevolution.

Microevolution is indeed evolution within a species.   Macroevolution is speciation.  But even YE creationists admit that it's a fact:

Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected  macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds.

YE Creationist Dr. Kurt Wise Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

Answers in Genesis - Speciation

As you see, it's directly observed to happen; many YE creationists now admit that it's a fact.    They just don't think it can account for common descent.

As you probably know, common descent is not part of evolutionary theory.   Even Darwin suggested that God might have created any number of first organisms.   Common descent was shown by genetics, not evolutionary theory.

 

[Sparks]

5 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

As you see, even knowledgeable YE creationists admit that there is lots of evidence for evolution...

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it."

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood

Microevolution is indeed evolution within a species.   Macroevolution is speciation.  But even YE creationists admit that it's a fact:

Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected  macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds.

YE Creationist Dr. Kurt Wise Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

Answers in Genesis - Speciation

As you see, it's directly observed to happen; many YE creationists now admit that it's a fact.    They just don't think it can account for common descent.

As you probably know, common descent is not part of evolutionary theory.   Even Darwin suggested that God might have created any number of first organisms.   Common descent was shown by genetics, not evolutionary theory.

Macroevolution is not speciation.  This is why you believe you are seeing Darwin's evolution, when you are not.  Speciation stays within a kind.  A new species of bat is still a bat, which is micro.