Theistic Evolution

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

He had a religious belief about the origin of life.    Religious beliefs are not theories.

Learn about it here:

Criteria for a Theory

In order for an explanation of the natural world to be a theory, it meets certain criteria:

• A theory is falsifiable. At some point, a theory withstands testing and experimentation using the scientific method.
• A theory is supported by lots of independent evidence.
• A theory explains existing experimental results and predicts outcomes of new experiments at least as well as other theories.

https://sciencenotes.org/scientific-theory-definition-and-examples/

I provided a direct quote from Darwin, and you are denying what he said.

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

Perhaps this would help you learn more about the YE approach to evolutionary change, by actual YE biologists:

A SURVEY OF CENOZOIC MAMMAL BARAMINS

ABSTRACT
To expand the sample of statistical baraminology studies, we identified 80 datasets sampled from 29 mammalian orders, from which we performed 82 separate analyses. We analyzed each dataset with standard statistical baraminology techniques: baraminic distance correlation (BDC) and multidimensional scaling (MDS). We evaluated the BDC and MDS results from each character set for potential continuity and discontinuity. We found evidence of holobaramins in 57 of the 82 analyses (69.5%). Of the remaining character sets, three showed evidence of monobaramins and 22 (26.8%) were inconclusive. These results are consistent with previous efforts to test the discontinuity hypothesis, which found that a majority of character sets showed evidence of holobaramins. Tentative holobaramins represent 57 taxonomic groups, many of which have not been previously analyzed by statistical baraminology. Together with previously identified holobaramins, this study increases the number of putative mammal holobaramins to 64.

https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=icc_proceedings

Wouldn't hurt to look...

The very first people on Earth were YE Creationists.  You are the odd ball who thinks Creationists are from the modern times, only.

[The Barbarian]

This one is evolution that seems to happen very rarely...

Article
Metabolic trade-offs constrain the cell size ratio in a
nitrogen-fixing symbiosis
Highlights
 Strong volume covariation in the B. bigelowii/UCYN-A
nitrogen-fixing symbiosis

The constant volumetric relationship reflects symbiotic
resource economy constraints

Coordination of harvesting and exchange of resources
maximizes symbiotic growth rate

UCYN-A is functioning like a hypothetical N 2 -fixing organelle
(or nitroplast)

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(24)00182-X.pdf

Two organisms joined together to form a single living organism.   The size ratio between the algae and this bacterium remains similar across different species related to the B. bigelowii algae. The growth appears to be controlled by an exchange of key nutrients, linking up their metabolisms. This synchronization of growth rates led the researchers to call UCYN-A organelle-like.

https://www.popsci.com/science/two-lifeforms-merged-into-one/

Endosymbiosis to the point of obligate relationships has been observed before, but in this case, the bacterium has been incorporated into the cell in the same way that our mitochondria are incorporated into our cells.

Last time this happened, eukaryotes evolved.

 

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

The very first people on Earth were YE Creationists. 

I know you want to believe it.   But the evidence and scripture indicates otherwise.

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

I provided a direct quote from Darwin

Expressing a religious belief, which was not part of his theory.    Just as Darwin spoke about Ireland (which isn't part of his theory, either).

Just as Newton suggested that God created the universe, without making that part of gravitational theory.

C'mon.

 

[The Barbarian]

A New Bird Species Has Evolved on Galapagos And Scientists Watched It Happen

Nature24 November 2017

 

Charles Darwin would have been delighted.

 

And Darwin's fourth point nicely verified.  (Darwin predicted this phenomenon, but it's still a change in allele frequency in a population)

 

[Sparks]

14 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Expressing a religious belief, which was not part of his theory.    Just as Darwin spoke about Ireland (which isn't part of his theory, either).

Just as Newton suggested that God created the universe, without making that part of gravitational theory.

C'mon.

Evolution theory is a religious belief.  Where is the observational science in the statement below?

Richard Gouldschmidt, in 1940 -- "The first bird hatched from a reptilian egg" 

[Sparks]

44 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

A New Bird Species Has Evolved on Galapagos And Scientists Watched It Happen

Nature24 November 2017

 

Charles Darwin would have been delighted.

 

And Darwin's fourth point nicely verified.  (Darwin predicted this phenomenon, but it's still a change in allele frequency in a population)

 

A new species is not macroevolution.  But then, you know that.  It is roughly the same as claiming a 15 foot tall man is a new species.

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

A new species is not macroevolution.

Well, let's take a look...

Macroevolution

 

Definition
noun, plural: macroevolutions
Evolution happening on a large scale, e.g. at or above the level of a species, over geologic time resulting in the divergence of taxonomic groups.
Supplement
Macroevolution involves variation of allele frequencies at or above the level of a species, where an allele is a specific iteration of a given gene. It is an area of study concerned with variation in frequencies of alleles that are shared between species and with speciation events, and also includes extinction. It is contrasted with microevolution, which is mainly concerned with the small-scale patterns of evolution within a species or population.

You were misinformed about that, too.   At one time, creationists agreed with the scientific definition.   But that was before speciations started being observed.  Then they changed the story.    But the definition remains the same as it always has been.   But then you know that.   
 

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

It is roughly the same as claiming a 15 foot tall man is a new species.

No.   It depends on reproductive isolation.    Remember when I showed you how to tell the difference between microevolution:

microevolution, which is mainly concerned with the small-scale patterns of evolution within a species or population.

And macroevolution:

Evolution happening on a large scale, e.g. at or above the level of a species, over geologic time resulting in the divergence of taxonomic groups.

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Evolution theory is a religious belief.

Well. let's test your assumption.  Which of Darwin's four points are religious beliefs?    Hint: none of them are.

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Richard Gouldschmidt, in 1940 -- "The first bird hatched from a reptilian egg" 

Birds always hatch from reptilian eggs.   Birds are amniotes, and hatch from amniote eggs, just as reptiles do.    The difference is, dinosaur eggs have hard shells, and the eggs of many other reptiles do not.   Birds being dinosaurs, have hard dinosauran eggs just as they should.   (the earliest known dinosaurs laid soft-shelled eggs, just like other reptiles)

Amniota is the name assigned to a large group of limbed vertebrates that includes not only extant reptiles, birds, and mammals because of their reproductive strategy involving the amniotic egg, but also a rich record of extinct animals whose reproductive mode cannot be determined directly. The origin of amniotes is therefore anchored by two disparate disciplines: developmental biology and vertebrate paleontology. The amniotic egg is at the center of the great evolutionary success of the crown group Amniota. The developmental strategy of amniotes is characterized by the evolutionary innovation of a series of four extraembryonic membranes—the yolk sac, allantois, chorion, and amnion—that provide a complete developmental environment for the embryonic life of a reptile, bird, or mammal. These extraembryonic membranes allowed the common ancestor of amniotes and its descendants to invest the mother’s resources into fewer but larger eggs; protect the developing embryos by placing them in a nest or retain them in the reproductive canal; and therefore also eliminate the need for a prolonged larval stage and metamorphosis.

https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199941728/obo-9780199941728-0149.xml

This is hardly the only observed evidence showing that birds evolved from other dinosaurs.    Would you like me to show you some of that, again?

 

Edited September 10, 2024 by The Barbarian