Theistic Evolution

[RV_Wizard]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

If "big light in the sky" is morning, then moonrise would be morning.

Same stupid argument.  The moon didn’t exist until the sun did on day four.  There is nothing original about anything your post.  You’re all re-runs.

Edited September 27, 2024 by RV_Wizard

[The Barbarian]

You're starting to get upset and repeating the same old debunked stories, with a few insults inserted.  

Take a little time to collect yourself and cool off.

 

[RV_Wizard]

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

As you know, there can be no mornings and evenings without a sun,

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Anyone who can read can see that there was a source of light.  Then there was an evening, followed by morning.  How do you think that came about?  We know now that a single rotation of the earth causes evening and morning, mid-day and midnight.  There exists no reason to believe that anything was different prior to the fourth day of creation.  You don't want to believe that the light illuminated the earth or that the earth was rotating, but then there is nothing about the creation you are willing to believe so who cares WHAT you claim?

Your rejection of the rotation of the earth causing day and night is nothing special.  You reject every word of Genesis one, Genesis two, and if the truth be known, likely everything recorded in the Scriptures.  I have asked you many times to tell us anything you believe, and without taking verses deliberately out of context we have seen NOTHING.  You say you're a Christian, but if Christianity were a crime, there would not be any evidence to convict you based on your posts.

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Your denial of His word notwithstanding.

 There is nothing in the Bible that supports evolution.

Romans 1:20-25 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

8 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

You know you're just denying something that is in scripture.

Which of us posts complete passages of Scripture again?  Oh, yes.  Me.  You're the one who claims that the entire first chapter of Genesis is wrong.  You deny the creation as written.  You deny the special creation of man.  You deny the consequence of Adam's sin.  You claim God lied in Exodus 20:11.  You can't even talk about evolution without pretending that it only addresses observable changes in species.

Your "moonrise would be morning." claim remains one of the dumbest things I've ever read.  If there was no sun, maybe, but then without the sun where would the moon get its light?

Seriously, your arguments are the lamest I've ever read, and I've debated some real loonies.

[Diamond]

17 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The moon didn’t exist until the sun did on day four.

That is not what the Bible says and that is not what science says. We need to study the evidence that God gives us. 

[Diamond]

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

We know now that a single rotation of the earth causes evening and morning, mid-day and midnight. 

All at the same time in the same moment, depending on where you are on the earth. 

 

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

There is nothing in the Bible that supports evolution.

Depends on your definition of the word Evolution, which people want to hijack. 

They talk about slow, gradual change over time. Yet Eldridge & Gould in their book talks about Punctuated equilibria. The idea that life is a product of random events is not supported by the evidence. 

[Diamond]

9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

We know now that a single rotation of the earth causes evening and morning, mid-day and midnight.

We know because of the rotation of the earth somewhere there is an evening and a morning somewhere all in the some moment of time. Usually called sun rise and sun set. We know there is some refraction in the atmosphere so it looks like sunrise is two minutes before and it looks like sunset is two minutes after the sun actually sets on the horizon. 

We look at things from our subjective perspective but is that what the Bible is talking about? When I read my Bible I see: "God said" which would suggest that we are being shown God's perspective, not ours. 

[RV_Wizard]

59 minutes ago, Diamond said:

That is not what the Bible says

Let's test this, shall we?

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Is there anything else you would like to be proven wrong about?

1 hour ago, Diamond said:

and that is not what science says

Please cite for us the methodology used by science to study the supernatural creation or miracles of any kind, since miracles are by definition violations of natural laws.

48 minutes ago, Diamond said:

Depends on your definition of the word Evolution, which people want to hijack. 

That's because every internet evolution proponent has three or for definitions, which he adjusts for the posts he wants to make.  Nobody denies that dogs and wolves likely share ancestry.  We deny that man and daffodils share ancestry.

50 minutes ago, Diamond said:

The idea that life is a product of random events is not supported by the evidence. 

And yet, it is taught as fact in our schools.  What is KNOWN about evolution is consistent with expected speciation since the ark.  What is taught is an unprovable, unscientific theory.

[RV_Wizard]

48 minutes ago, Diamond said:

When I read my Bible I see: "God said" which would suggest that we are being shown God's perspective, not ours. 

In Revelation we learn that there is no night in heaven because the glory of God provides all the light.  Genesis is written from the perspective of the earth.  The stars are only mentioned in passing on day four; as if the constellations had no meaning.  The light created on day one was shining on the earth, providing daylight and darkness.  

On day four, we are told God made two great lights, one for day and one for night.  The entity He called light was never again mentioned.  So either the sun replaced the light, the universe sprang out of the light (as in the Big Bang theory), or the sun was the light all along and the moon and stars were added.  In any respect, there was light on the earth so the length of the days and nights were determined by the earth's rotation.  Were they 24 hours?  Probably a little shorter, since the rotation is slowing down.

[Diamond]

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Is there anything else you would like to be proven wrong about?

contraire monsieur You are the one that has been proven wrong. By your own admission. 

[Diamond]

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

On day four, we are told God made two great lights, one for day and one for night.

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven

The word is "said" not made. Also, He said "in the firmament".

If you want to talk about what God "created" you have to go back to verse one when God Created the Heavens and the Earth.