Understanding the Incarnation

[Osterloh]

Let’s investigate and see if we can possibly get a solid understanding

of the Incarnation (birth) of Jesus Christ.

You will see below … In the beginning, the Members of the Holy Trinity

were God the Father, God the Word, and God the Holy Spirit.

 

Many churches teach that the Son of God (Jesus Christ) came down from heaven

to be the Messiah, the Savior.  But, this is just NOT true because Jesus was

created (or formed) in Mary’s womb (on earth) … by God the Holy Spirit.    

Christ (English) = Cristos (Greek) = Messiah (Hebrew)

 

How did the Holy Spirit perform this miraculous “Immaculate Conception”?

Possibility #1: the Holy Spirit provided the male sperm necessary

Possibility #2: the Holy Spirit “created” the fetus in Mary’s womb

God the Holy Spirit “created” Jesus

The archangel Gabriel said to the virgin Mary:

“And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son,

  and shall call His name Jesus … The Holy Spirit will come upon you,

  and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also,

  that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:31-35)

Jesus was called “the Son of God” because His “Father” was God the Holy Spirit!

And Luke quoted Isaiah as saying: Jesus would be “God with us” …

And Gabriel said to Joseph:

“… that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus

  … So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was

  spoken by the Lord through the prophet (Isaiah), saying:

  ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall

   call His name Immanuel’, which is translated, ‘God with us’.” (Matthew 1:20-23)

Did Jesus inherit man’s sin nature?

Years ago, a British lady doctor told me (via email)

that every human inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.

So, unless the Holy Spirit over-rode this (which is a possibility),

the baby Jesus in Mary’s womb inherited her DNA.

 

Does this mean that Jesus was “fully man”?

 

“Therefore, it was necessary for Him to be made in every respect like us,

  His brothers and sisters, so that He could be our merciful and faithful

  High Priest before God.” (Hebrews 2:17)

 

So, Jesus was “fully man” … But, how then could He be “fully God”?

God the Word’s role in the “creation” of Jesus

“… the Word was God … And the Word became human (Jesus Christ)

  and made His home among us.” (John 1:1, 1:14)

So, Jesus was “fully God” … But, wouldn’t this over-ride His sin nature?

Your comments on all of this would be most interesting!

And just thought I’d ask:

When did God the Word become a human being (Jesus Christ)

… while Jesus was in the womb, or after He was born?

[Mr. M]

9 minutes ago, Osterloh said:

Let’s investigate and see if we can possibly get a solid understanding

of the Incarnation (birth) of Jesus Christ.

You will see below … In the beginning, the Members of the Holy Trinity

were God the Father, God the Word, and God the Holy Spirit.

 

Many churches teach that the Son of God (Jesus Christ) came down from heaven

to be the Messiah, the Savior.  But, this is just NOT true because Jesus was

created (or formed) in Mary’s womb (on earth) … by God the Holy Spirit.    

Christ (English) = Cristos (Greek) = Messiah (Hebrew)

 

How did the Holy Spirit perform this miraculous “Immaculate Conception”?

Possibility #1: the Holy Spirit provided the male sperm necessary

Possibility #2: the Holy Spirit “created” the fetus in Mary’s womb

God the Holy Spirit “created” Jesus

 

The archangel Gabriel said to the virgin Mary:

“And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son,

 

  and shall call His name Jesus … The Holy Spirit will come upon you,

 

  and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also,

 

  that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:31-35)

 

Jesus was called “the Son of God” because His “Father” was God the Holy Spirit!

And Luke quoted Isaiah as saying: Jesus would be “God with us” …

And Gabriel said to Joseph:

“… that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

 

  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus

 

  … So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was

 

  spoken by the Lord through the prophet (Isaiah), saying:

 

  ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall

 

   call His name Immanuel’, which is translated, ‘God with us’.” (Matthew 1:20-23)

 

Did Jesus inherit man’s sin nature?

 

Years ago, a British lady doctor told me (via email)

that every human inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.

So, unless the Holy Spirit over-rode this (which is a possibility),

the baby Jesus in Mary’s womb inherited her DNA.

 

Does this mean that Jesus was “fully man”?

 

“Therefore, it was necessary for Him to be made in every respect like us,

 

  His brothers and sisters, so that He could be our merciful and faithful

 

  High Priest before God.” (Hebrews 2:17)

 

 

 

So, Jesus was “fully man” … But, how then could He be “fully God”?

God the Word’s role in the “creation” of Jesus

 

“… the Word was God … And the Word became human (Jesus Christ)

 

  and made His home among us.” (John 1:1, 1:14)

 

So, Jesus was “fully God” … But, wouldn’t this over-ride His sin nature?

Your comments on all of this would be most interesting!

And just thought I’d ask:

When did God the Word become a human being (Jesus Christ)

… while Jesus was in the womb, or after He was born?

The Resurrection validates the Incarnation.

Romans 1:

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,

which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,

according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

Knowledge of the Incarnation in hindsight does not establish saving faith,

nor does speculating on how it happened. The Resurrection is the pudding.

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

[Osterloh]

6 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

The Resurrection validates the Incarnation.

I'm having a problem with this resurrection thing as PROOF of Divinity!

Is everyone else who has been raised from the dead Divine also?

Others in the Gospels were resurrected (ref. upon request).

Smith Wigglesworth was used to raise people from the dead.

etc. etc.

[Mr. M]

10 minutes ago, Osterloh said:

I'm having a problem with this resurrection thing as PROOF of Divinity!

Is everyone else who has been raised from the dead Divine also?

Others in the Gospels were resurrected (ref. upon request).

Smith Wigglesworth was used to raise people from the dead.

etc. etc.

It is proof of His divinity. Others were raised "in His Name".

21 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,

according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

The purpose to bring "many sons to glory".

To become sons and daughters of God.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Christ in us, the hope of glory is our divinity.

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[Osterloh]

5 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

It is proof of His divinity. Others were raised "in His Name".

I see this as a bit of a tricky difference!

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, Osterloh said:

I see this as a bit of a tricky difference!

Does that mean that you do not preach the Resurrection?

[missmuffet]

49 minutes ago, Osterloh said:

I'm having a problem with this resurrection thing as PROOF of Divinity!

Is everyone else who has been raised from the dead Divine also?

Others in the Gospels were resurrected (ref. upon request).

Smith Wigglesworth was used to raise people from the dead.

etc. etc.

Do you believe that Jesus Christ died on the Cross and was resurrected?

[BornAgain490]

1 hour ago, Osterloh said:

Let’s investigate and see if we can possibly get a solid understanding

of the Incarnation (birth) of Jesus Christ.

You will see below … In the beginning, the Members of the Holy Trinity

were God the Father, God the Word, and God the Holy Spirit.

 

Many churches teach that the Son of God (Jesus Christ) came down from heaven

to be the Messiah, the Savior.  But, this is just NOT true because Jesus was

created (or formed) in Mary’s womb (on earth) … by God the Holy Spirit.    

Christ (English) = Cristos (Greek) = Messiah (Hebrew)

 

How did the Holy Spirit perform this miraculous “Immaculate Conception”?

Possibility #1: the Holy Spirit provided the male sperm necessary

Possibility #2: the Holy Spirit “created” the fetus in Mary’s womb

God the Holy Spirit “created” Jesus

 

The archangel Gabriel said to the virgin Mary:

“And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son,

 

  and shall call His name Jesus … The Holy Spirit will come upon you,

 

  and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also,

 

  that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Luke 1:31-35)

 

Jesus was called “the Son of God” because His “Father” was God the Holy Spirit!

And Luke quoted Isaiah as saying: Jesus would be “God with us” …

And Gabriel said to Joseph:

“… that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

 

  And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus

 

  … So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was

 

  spoken by the Lord through the prophet (Isaiah), saying:

 

  ‘Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall

 

   call His name Immanuel’, which is translated, ‘God with us’.” (Matthew 1:20-23)

 

Did Jesus inherit man’s sin nature?

 

Years ago, a British lady doctor told me (via email)

that every human inherits the DNA of BOTH parents.

So, unless the Holy Spirit over-rode this (which is a possibility),

the baby Jesus in Mary’s womb inherited her DNA.

 

Does this mean that Jesus was “fully man”?

 

“Therefore, it was necessary for Him to be made in every respect like us,

 

  His brothers and sisters, so that He could be our merciful and faithful

 

  High Priest before God.” (Hebrews 2:17)

 

 

 

So, Jesus was “fully man” … But, how then could He be “fully God”?

God the Word’s role in the “creation” of Jesus

 

“… the Word was God … And the Word became human (Jesus Christ)

 

  and made His home among us.” (John 1:1, 1:14)

 

So, Jesus was “fully God” … But, wouldn’t this over-ride His sin nature?

Your comments on all of this would be most interesting!

And just thought I’d ask:

When did God the Word become a human being (Jesus Christ)

… while Jesus was in the womb, or after He was born?

Jesus is the Son of God; He is eternal. (John 1:1).

Jesus was not created, He was begotten. (John 3:16).  Jesus refers to Himself as monogenés (unique; one of a kind). 

God created man; man begets men.  Man can create a wooden structure called a house, out of trees that were created by God; man does not beget the house, nor does a house beget other houses. Man's act of creating anything results from God's provision of resources that make it possible for man to create.  But man cannot create his projeny, he begets them through that which God has provided, to wit: male sperm and female ovum. God creates by the command of His voice and begets by the power of His Spirit. 

Jesus was not the result of a sperm cell, but was a miraculous conception, like the miracles of turning water into wine, cleansing the leper of his leprosy, healing the man's withered hand and the crippled man's legs, all of which happened in an instant by the power of Almighty God. 

Jesus was truly man and truly God, because when the eternal God entered into His own creation through the manner of gestation that all men go through, He never ceased being God as He took on flesh.  He did so in order to reconcile His created beings (man) to Himself.  

Because Jesus was truly man He could be subject to temptation. Because Jesus was truly God He could not succumb to temptation and thus be sinful.  For this reason He became the satisfaction for the sin debt we all owe, which we could never repay on our own.  

 

[farouk]

1 hour ago, BornAgain490 said:

Jesus is the Son of God; He is eternal. (John 1:1).

Jesus was not created, He was begotten. (John 3:16).  Jesus refers to Himself as monogenés (unique; one of a kind). 

God created man; man begets men.  Man can create a wooden structure called a house, out of trees that were created by God; man does not beget the house, nor does a house beget other houses. Man's act of creating anything results from God's provision of resources that make it possible for man to create.  But man cannot create his projeny, he begets them through that which God has provided, to wit: male sperm and female ovum. God creates by the command of His voice and begets by the power of His Spirit. 

Jesus was not the result of a sperm cell, but was a miraculous conception, like the miracles of turning water into wine, cleansing the leper of his leprosy, healing the man's withered hand and the crippled man's legs, all of which happened in an instant by the power of Almighty God. 

Jesus was truly man and truly God, because when the eternal God entered into His own creation through the manner of gestation that all men go through, He never ceased being God as He took on flesh.  He did so in order to reconcile His created beings (man) to Himself.  

Because Jesus was truly man He could be subject to temptation. Because Jesus was truly God He could not succumb to temptation and thus be sinful.  For this reason He became the satisfaction for the sin debt we all owe, which we could never repay on our own.  

 

Hi @BornAgain490 John 1.14 is another glorious declaration of the Incarnation:

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

[farouk]

Also: Colossians 2.9: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."