What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

[Daniel Marsh]

depends on definition.   I think the creed as saying he is God.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

 

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[Daniel Marsh]

depends on definition.   I think the creed as saying he is God.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
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[Your closest friendnt]

On 11/28/2024 at 8:11 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

The proof is that Jesus Christ will never disobeyed the Heavenly Father. 

Because the qurantee to it is that God has made Jesus Christ Lord and King of all the kings of the earth. And the Ruler of his Kingdom and The Heavenly Father is not telling Jesus Christ what to do and that's why Jesus Christ will be eternal forever.

There is not a risk to fall from where He is, where God has put him to the Glory He has given him. 

This is why we say that we are secure in the eternal life of Jesus Christ forevermore. 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Luther]

On 11/28/2024 at 8:11 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?

John 1:14

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten ( #3439 "monogenes")  of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 17:8

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

I think the only confusion one could have is that they start out with the assertion that Jesus Christ is separate from God and His existence began when He was born. Very false. Jesus Christ is Lord, He is God, who " came out of God", in the person of the Lord Jesus. He is the first and only begotten of the Father, and He never ceased to be God while on earth.

" I and my Father are One" ( Jn.10:30) is not just a poetic statement.

 

 

 

[Luther]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The proof is that Jesus Christ will never disobeyed the Heavenly Father. 

Because the qurantee to it is that God has made Jesus Christ Lord and King of all the kings of the earth. And the Ruler of his Kingdom and The Heavenly Father is not telling Jesus Christ what to do and that's why Jesus Christ will be eternal forever.

There is not a risk to fall from where He is, where God has put him to the Glory He has given him. 

This is why we say that we are secure in the eternal life of Jesus Christ forevermore. 

"The Heavenly Father is not telling Jesus Christ" I'm sorry but the way you worded this it sounds like Jesus is a totally different person than God the Father. I know it could be taken that way when Jesus talked to the Father while on earth. But Jesus never ceased to be God. The Obedience that Jesus displayed to the Father was the example He set forth for us. Sounds tricky at times. 

( I have to tell you that there will be many " Christians" in the end that WON'T believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, because I believe they will be deceived into thinking otherwise, never being truly born again. And the satanic rulers in the end will put their laws into effect, where if you make that confession, you will be beheaded. They hate Jesus Christ and his people more than anyone else.... always have. )

[Luther]

On 12/1/2024 at 5:42 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

depends on definition.   I think the creed as saying he is God.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
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"born of the Father before all ages."

Amen. A great way to put it. 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Luther
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[Daniel Marsh]

depends on definition.   I think the creed as saying he is God.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

 

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[Daniel Marsh]

In the Nicene Creed, the Greek word translated as eternally "begotten" is "monogenes" which can be translated as unique.

John 3,16
CJB
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed.

If the creed meant unique, this is how they match or line up

[Your closest friendnt]

15 hours ago, Luther said:

"The Heavenly Father is not telling Jesus Christ" I'm sorry but the way you worded this it sounds like Jesus is a totally different person than God the Father. I know it could be taken that way when Jesus talked to the Father while on earth. But Jesus never ceased to be God. The Obedience that Jesus displayed to the Father was the example He set forth for us. Sounds tricky at times. 

( I have to tell you that there will be many " Christians" in the end that WON'T believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, because I believe they will be deceived into thinking otherwise, never being truly born again. And the satanic rulers in the end will put their laws into effect, where if you make that confession, you will be beheaded. They hate Jesus Christ and his people more than anyone else.... always have. )

I only will comment on the first part of your post. 

I am not pleased with the way you attempted to intrepid my statement. 

Can you please try again considering that Jesus was subject to prove himself in full obedience to the Heavenly Father. If he disobeyed him this would be a failed mission even if he die on the Cross. 

One prerequisite for his death on the Cross to open the way to Heaven for mankind for Jesus to die in full obedience to the Heavenly Father. Which is some of the things we know and a lot of other things the Father had asked him that we do not know. 

Does that not is telling that Jesus was subject to the Judgement of the Heavenly Father. 

This is while he was a Servant because he came as a Servant in his mission before his death on the Cross  

In Revelation one John discribed Jesus in his Glory.

Everything became became new after the Cross and His resurrection. 

Your comments about Jesus after the resurrection must and should showed that everything became new. 

I did not say that they are not taking to each other. I only said that Jesus Christ is Lord and the King of all the kings of the earth. He will never be judged by anyone and no one can bring an accusation against him. 

In everything became new it includes that Jesus Christ is Lord and He knows what to do. The Heavenly Father is not telling him what to do, and how to do anything giving him commandments and him having to obey them in the way it was before the Cross when he came as a Servant and if not then His mission on the Cross will not be accomplished. He will not be the perfect Lamb Anymore. 

We are secured to be with  God eternally because we are in Him and He is with God.

As He is so we are by grace through faith as to include every little one who believes in him.

Edited December 3, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/2/2024 at 6:05 PM, Luther said:

"The Heavenly Father is not telling Jesus Christ" I'm sorry but the way you worded this it sounds like Jesus is a totally different person than God the Father. I know it could be taken that way when Jesus talked to the Father while on earth. But Jesus never ceased to be God. The Obedience that Jesus displayed to the Father was the example He set forth for us. Sounds tricky at times. 

( I have to tell you that there will be many " Christians" in the end that WON'T believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, because I believe they will be deceived into thinking otherwise, never being truly born again. And the satanic rulers in the end will put their laws into effect, where if you make that confession, you will be beheaded. They hate Jesus Christ and his people more than anyone else.... always have. )

In the second part of your post a statement has been made "( I have to tell you that there will be many " Christians" in the end that WON'T believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, because I believe they will be deceived into thinking otherwise, never being truly born again."

Please fill in the blanks. How they will believe in Jesus Christ then, if they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Judge of all people from the beginning of the world. 

God has appointed Jesus Christ to Judge the world. God will judge the world through Jesus Christ.  

Do they will believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins?