Predetermined?

[Orion]

On 4/16/2025 at 8:21 PM, enoob57 said:

Death by suicide is a good example of a thing God has nothing to do with... 

How so?  God may not have caused one to commit suicide, but God foreknew the suicide would occur by virtue of His omniscience. In accordance with scripture, the one who commits suicide has kept the time appointed for him to die, for it is appointed unto men once to die. (Hebrews 9:27).

[enoob57]

37 minutes ago, Orion said:

How so? 

1 John 1:5 (KJV)

[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

in this The perfect God, the Son, purchased the right of all men to have an escape from sin and death...

1 John 2:2 (KJV)

[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Suicide, the very act, is stating by works that the person life is their own and they have the right to end it... yet as the verse states above Jesus purchased with His own blood the right for them to escape self-centered thinking.
 

37 minutes ago, Orion said:

God may not have caused one to commit suicide, but God foreknew the suicide would occur by virtue of His omniscience.

Knowing lie does not make God a liar... in fact lie has no place within God in any form 1 John 1:5

 

37 minutes ago, Orion said:

In accordance with scripture, the one who commits suicide has kept the time appointed for him to die, for it is appointed unto men once to die. (Hebrews 9:27).

Deuteronomy 32:39 (KJV)

[39] See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
According to God He alone hold the right of life and death... not the individual!

[Orion]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

43 minutes ago, Orion said:

God may not have caused one to commit suicide, but God foreknew the suicide would occur by virtue of His omniscience.

Knowing lie does not make God a liar... in fact lie has no place within God in any form 1 John 1:5

God as omniscient, knows the beginning to the end, which means God knows every detail of His creation and its existence. That doesn't mean God is the cause or the author of evil or of the act of people committing suicide. It simply means that God knows people will sin, and kill themselves for whatever reason one has for killing themself.  You doubt that?

[Orion]

11 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

According to God He alone hold the right of life and death... not the individual!

Again, when the Bible says it is appointed unto men once to die, God in His omniscience knows exactly when and how every person will die. God knows how and when Enoch and Elijah will die.  And God knew exactly how and when His own Son Jesus would die.  Men commit suicide not because God caused them to do so, but God nevertheless foreknew via His omniscience that they who do commit suicide would so do.

[enoob57]

31 minutes ago, Orion said:

God as omniscient, knows the beginning to the end, which means God knows every detail of His creation and its existence. That doesn't mean God is the cause or the author of evil or of the act of people committing suicide. It simply means that God knows people will sin, and kill themselves for whatever reason one has for killing themself.  You doubt that?

 

25 minutes ago, Orion said:

Again, when the Bible says it is appointed unto men once to die, God in His omniscience knows exactly when and how every person will die. God knows how and when Enoch and Elijah will die.  And God knew exactly how and when His own Son Jesus would die.  Men commit suicide not because God caused them to do so, but God nevertheless foreknew via His omniscience that they who do commit suicide would so do.

the whole point of my post God does not appoint suicide... the individual did... as God has appointed all men to die so death comes to all men; either by God's appointment as living to His will or by man's own appointment suicide...

[Orion]

11 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

the whole point of my post God does not appoint suicide

I never said God appointed man to commit suicide.  All I said is that God knows a person will be born and God knows when and how that person will die.  Again, when the Bible says it is "appointed" unto men to die, it simply means all men will die and God has foreknowledge of how and when we will die.  

Do you agree that God has foreknowledge of the time and manner of your death?

 

Edited Monday at 12:34 AM by Orion

[enoob57]

yes, I believe Scripture

Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV)

[5] Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.