Free from sin?

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

Imagine that you tell this joke about the chicken crossing a road, and someone had a traumatic experience of witnessing how a car ran over a chicken on a road.

Sorry. I can't imagine that. 

 

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

You see, you caused pain to that person or sinned according to your belief.

No. You're simply re-imagining that my words fit your position

 

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). Law within a person is conscience (Romans 2:14,15). Law would be doing something against the conscience.

The law of Christ is encompassed by one word: love. 

 

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

And it is not telling a clean joke with the intention of making people feel better, although sometimes someone somewhere may be affected. 

As I said, some jokes are entirely without offense.  However, most jokes are offensive to one degree or another.

Tell me, are the jokes you're referring to from the heart?  If so, you do understand that God says the heart of man is deceitfully wicked, do you not? 

I guess the question begged is: Why would a born again believer in Christ engage in joke-telling if there's a possibility of offending someone?

[Live2believe]

13 hours ago, Orion said:

Tell me, are the jokes you're referring to from the heart?  If so, you do understand that God says the heart of man is deceitfully wicked, do you not? 

I guess the question begged is: Why would a born again believer in Christ engage in joke-telling if there's a possibility of offending someone?

The truth is that clean jokes are not offensive with rare exceptions. A born again believer who has a gift of telling jokes would do it to help people, brighten their life even if for a moment, not from the wickedness of his heart but from the Love of Yahshua in his born again heart. Thinking that telling jokes is sin has no foundation in the Scroptures, unless it is intentionally done to offend someone.

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

clean jokes arenot offensive with rare exceptions

In other words: if a joke is offensive, it is sinful.  

[Live2believe]

22 hours ago, Orion said:

In other words: if a joke is offensive, it is sinful.  

I would say "intentionally offensive". If I tell a joke without no idea it can offend a person, even if it does it is not a sin. Sin is transgression of the law. I love the person whom I told the joke to, and I told him this joke to make him laugh, not to offend. I did not break the law of Love. However, if I don't apologise to him after he told me that I hurt his feelings, it would be sin. Would you agree?

[Orion]

52 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

I would say "intentionally offensive". If I tell a joke without no idea it can offend a person, even if it does it is not a sin. Sin is transgression of the law. I love the person whom I told the joke to, and I told him this joke to make him laugh, not to offend. I did not break the law of Love. However, if I don't apologise to him after he told me that I hurt his feelings, it would be sin. Would you agree?

I would go so far as to say that the law of love (Galatians 5:14) requires us who are in Christ to refrain from any and all behavior that might offend another.  The only exception as far as scripture goes, is when we proclaim the good news of Yeshua Mashiach with love to the lost, for many will be offended when we proclaim the truth in love. 

Let the lost tell their jokes to the lost, and let us be ambassadors of the Way, the Truth, and the Life, with "whatever we do in word or deed, do in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by Him." (Colossians 3:17). 

Think and speak on all that instructs and edifies the body of Christ, on things that are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of a good report, virtuous.  (Philippians 4:8).

Peace

[Live2believe]

7 hours ago, Orion said:

I would go so far as to say that the law of love (Galatians 5:14) requires us who are in Christ to refrain from any and all behavior that might offend another.  The only exception as far as scripture goes, is when we proclaim the good news of Yeshua Mashiach with love to the lost, for many will be offended when we proclaim the truth in love. 

Let the lost tell their jokes to the lost, and let us be ambassadors of the Way, the Truth, and the Life, with "whatever we do in word or deed, do in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by Him." (Colossians 3:17). 

Think and speak on all that instructs and edifies the body of Christ, on things that are true, honest, just, pure, lovely, of a good report, virtuous.  (Philippians 4:8).

Peace

I think we are saying the same thing.

[TheBlade]

On 4/27/2025 at 1:38 PM, Live2believe said:

I think there is no need to suggest anything, because John's words are very clear:

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9)

Hi.. maybe back up a bit 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.". We understand when John wrote this there were some that believed they never sin :).  Even Paul said.. "But now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin that dwells in me.". See we put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.. .. and that we put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

It can be hard to see to understand flesh and spirit. We have been made new.. born from above. The old man is still the same has not been changed and loves to sin. So if someone only see one thinking its them that keep sinning or has that desire to sin not understanding the flesh. Sin in this world still has a price. 

I like the words to this one song which basically says.. before that fire ignites call on my name. 

[Live2believe]

On 5/16/2025 at 2:02 PM, TheBlade said:

Hi.. maybe back up a bit 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.". We understand when John wrote this there were some that believed they never sin :).  Even Paul said.. "But now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin that dwells in me.". See we put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.. .. and that we put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

It can be hard to see to understand flesh and spirit. We have been made new.. born from above. The old man is still the same has not been changed and loves to sin. So if someone only see one thinking its them that keep sinning or has that desire to sin not understanding the flesh. Sin in this world still has a price. 

I like the words to this one song which basically says.. before that fire ignites call on my name. 

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:8,9).

Your explanatioin suggests that Yahshua the Messiah failed to destroy the works of the devil, because according to your words ALL believers commit sins (and therefore are still of the devil). 

1 John 2:1 is not talking to the believers who are born again. It is possible, and common, to believe and not be born of God.

They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. (Luke 8:13).

When Paul said, "But now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin that dwells in me.", he was describing his state under the Old Covenant, BEFORE he received the Holy Spirit.

Edited May 19 by Live2believe