Free from sin?

[Orion]

3 hours ago, Live2believe said:

However, this is NOT what sin is. This definition is not in the Bible.

Definitions are what words mean, and we find what words mean in a dictionary or lexicon.  You obviously know this. 

[Orion]

3 hours ago, Live2believe said:

Everything depends on motivation and circumstances. If someone assaults you, will you imitate Christ and ask to assault your wife also (offer other cheek)? Or you will rather "sin" and defend you and your family? 

This question makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps reword it so that it communicates a sensible query. 

[Paleouss]

Greetings all.  I hope all my brothers and sisters in Christ are doing well.

To the question, "are Christians freed from sin"?  This answer is, yes.  

However, some have taken this to mean that after being saved, and before the new heaven and earth, the Christian 'will never sin again' in this fallen world.  This thought is false.

Ironically, the same verse that says "Whoever has been born of God does not sin" (1John 3:9).  Also says at its very beginning, "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1Jo 2:1 NKJV).

Paul is writing specifically to Christians.  Those that are 'born again', already.  He says in his writings, speaking to those born again...  I write to you, "so that you may not sin" and then He says, "And if anyone sins".  (notice the implication that the saved he is talking to might sin again after being saved?

He is saying, I write to say don't sin because you have been freed from the power of sin's grip.  But if you do sin, we have advocate in Christ. 

Seems very clear. 

 

Peace to you, brothers

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Orion said:

Definitions are what words mean, and we find what words mean in a dictionary or lexicon.  You obviously know this. 

The word "sin" is derived from an archery term meaning "to miss the mark."  God created mankind perfect (in His image & likeness), and when sin came in there was a serious corruption to this perfect creation, which was passed to all in Adam.  As the result, you might say all the "fruit" became thoroughly rotten and was therefore only worthy of disposal (as we would with a rotten tomato).

So Christ had a big job in restoring man to his original state and role (Gen 1:26).  He not only cancelled the penalty for sin and terminated old Adam's race, but He also made our spirit alive with His Spirit to provide us a new source to live by and thereby transform our souls.

Oh what a Savior!!!  

[Live2believe]

On 5/2/2025 at 11:24 AM, missmuffet said:

But you are not interpreting that verse correctly. Here is the correct meaning of that verse.

https://www.gotquestions.org/does-not-sin.html

 

How do you know this is correct? The author does not know the purpose of Yahweh. For example, he/she writes, "All people inherit Adam’s sin nature". It was the case UNTIL the Savior attoned for the sin of Adam by His sacrifice. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world". Notice that "sin" is singular, sin of Adam. Did Yahshua the Messiah fail to take away Adam's sin? 

[Live2believe]

On 5/2/2025 at 12:04 PM, Orion said:

Definitions are what words mean, and we find what words mean in a dictionary or lexicon.  You obviously know this. 

There are definitions in the Bible as well. People's definitions are not always the same as divine definitions. For example, the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1. There is also the definition of sin in the Bible. Do you know it?

[Live2believe]

On 5/2/2025 at 2:18 PM, Paleouss said:

Greetings all.  I hope all my brothers and sisters in Christ are doing well.

To the question, "are Christians freed from sin"?  This answer is, yes.  

However, some have taken this to mean that after being saved, and before the new heaven and earth, the Christian 'will never sin again' in this fallen world.  This thought is false.

Ironically, the same verse that says "Whoever has been born of God does not sin" (1John 3:9).  Also says at its very beginning, "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1Jo 2:1 NKJV).

Paul is writing specifically to Christians.  Those that are 'born again', already.  He says in his writings, speaking to those born again...  I write to you, "so that you may not sin" and then He says, "And if anyone sins".  (notice the implication that the saved he is talking to might sin again after being saved?

He is saying, I write to say don't sin because you have been freed from the power of sin's grip.  But if you do sin, we have advocate in Christ. 

Seems very clear. 

 

Peace to you, brothers

Thank you for your response. You assume that all who believe are born again. This is not the case. For example, read the words of the Savior, "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." (Luke 8:13).

[Live2believe]

On 5/2/2025 at 12:06 PM, Orion said:

This question makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps reword it so that it communicates a sensible query. 

OK, I am rewording. If someone assaults you, and instead of letting them assult your wife as well ("turn another cheek") you will defend you and your family, wil it be sin? 

[missmuffet]

30 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

How do you know this is correct? The author does not know the purpose of Yahweh. For example, he/she writes, "All people inherit Adam’s sin nature". It was the case UNTIL the Savior attoned for the sin of Adam by His sacrifice. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world". Notice that "sin" is singular, sin of Adam. Did Yahshua the Messiah fail to take away Adam's sin? 

I do not support your theology.

[Orion]

47 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

There is also the definition of sin in the Bible. Do you know it?

Of course.  Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4), unrighteousness (1 John 5:17), rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7).  Your point?