Truth Is Known By Experience, Quoting Scripture w/o is to Testify Against Yourself

[Mr. M]

First John One:

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard,

which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon,

and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 

2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness,

and declare to you that eternal life which was 

with the Father and was manifested to us— 

3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you,

that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly

our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 

4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.

John Sixteen:

23 And on that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly,

I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 

24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name.

Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

[enoob57]

To build a foundation on experience is the same as sand...

Isaiah 65:17 (KJV)

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

As God has said all experience shall be rendered moot to the eternal keeping! The proper foundation is God's Word because 

Ezekiel 12:25 (KJV)

[25] For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.

Matthew 24:35 (KJV)

[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

A wise man will build his house upon the rock of eternal keeping and not on that which passes away and will be no more....

[Mr. M]

10 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

To build a foundation on experience is the same as sand...

If your only experiences have been in the natural, then your testimony is true. Experiencing spiritual truths are eternal, and the testimony derived from them are the means by which we overcome.

Romans Two:

4-6 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.

14 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

As God has said all experience shall be rendered moot to the eternal keeping! The proper foundation is God's Word because 

God has said no such thing! Is your life in Christ moot? By your words you will be justified, or condemned.

15 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

A wise man will build his house upon the rock of eternal keeping and not on that which passes away and will be no more....

Yeah, that is what the OP is clearly presenting for those who have ears and a mind to hear what the Spirit is saying. The Apostolic Doctrines are spiritual experiences we should be striving for, not simply something we read about in a book, including the Bible. 

Your testimony continues to ring true, for you. Not me, man.

 

[Mr. M]

Testimony of many experiences are rendered moot from a lack of relationship with the Lord.

Matthew Seven:

21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

37 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

A wise man will build his house upon the rock of eternal keeping and not on that which passes away and will be no more....

And how is this accomplished???

24-27 Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.

Those who hear and do have a true testimony of experience.

James One:

22-25 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Hebrews Five:

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

[Mr. M]

Truth Is Known By Experience...

John Eight:

31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, 

“If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 

32 And you shall know the truth,

and the truth shall make you free.”

To know and be known, or corrupt the word of God even while claiming to live in accordance with the doctrines contained within.

Abide; and Overcome or be rejected.

[enoob57]

5 hours ago, Mr. M said:

God has said no such thing! 

most certainly God has said and very clearly and distinctly....
Isaiah 65:17 (KJV)

[17] For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

[8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Revelation 21:4 (KJV)

[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

*As God has said so shall it be!*

Ezekiel 12:25a (KJV)

[25] For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass;

 

[enoob57]

Peter asked pin pointedly this 

2 Peter 3:11 (KJV)

[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God is about completeness >yet< here and now is slated as incomplete and laid out for total and complete destruction

The incompleteness of the now:
1 Corinthians 2:9 (KJV)

[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1 Corinthians 8:2 (KJV)

[2] And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

So, one must ask if nothing is known as it should be how can this be the perfect?

I am concerned with the spirit that indicates the perfection of here and now because it is simply not supported by Biblical text!

 

[Mr. M]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

1 Corinthians 13:8 (KJV)

[8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

8-10 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

Nothing done in Christ and the Love of God is ever in vain.

First Corinthians Fifteen:

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

Jude One:

20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 

21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

16 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Revelation 21:4 (KJV)

[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 

7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 

17 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

As God has said so shall it be!

 

 

Have you drunk from the River of His Pleasures?

Have you not experienced the Love of God?

Or are you clinging by Faith to what you read,

without the evidence of the not seen?

Your scriptures cited are good news for those who have endured much grief and suffering. They will in no wise lose the remembrance of God's goodness and holiness, unless of course one is found unfaithful and unworthy. 

Psalm One Hundred and Twelve:

4 Unto the upright there arises light in the darkness;
He is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.
5 A good man deals graciously and lends;
He will guide his affairs with discretion.
6 Surely he will never be shaken;
The righteous will be in everlasting remembrance.
7 He will not be afraid of evil tidings;
His heart is steadfast, trusting in the Lord.
8 His heart is established;
He will not be afraid,
Until he sees his desire upon his enemies.

9 He has dispersed abroad,
He has given to the poor;
His righteousness endures forever;
His horn will be exalted with honor.

Love is Eternal!

First John Three:

14-16 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death.  Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 

17-19 But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him? My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth. And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 

23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

So, one must ask if nothing is known as it should be how can this be the perfect?

I am concerned with the spirit that indicates the perfection of here and now because it is simply not supported by Biblical text!

No one said anything about perfection being here and now. You are changing the subject while casually suggesting I said something that was not said. 

This thread is about experiencing and knowing Truth. Your responses fail to even address this, based on what? Complete forgetfulness for the saved? NOT Truth at all.

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Truth Is Known By Experience...

John Eight:

31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, 

“If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 

32 And you shall know the truth,

and the truth shall make you free.”

To know and be known, or corrupt the word of God even while claiming to live in accordance with the doctrines contained within.

Abide; and Overcome or be rejected.

Know the Truth?

Because you read about Him,

or because you know Him?

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

They will in no wise lose the remembrance of God's goodness and holiness, unless of course one is found unfaithful and unworthy. 

Interesting how Scripture says otherwise as has been quoted plainly... and you ignore it...  even when God instructs us we can't

Isaiah 28:9 (KJV)

[9] Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: