The God of the Bible is not God of other religions!

[forrestkc]

forrestkc,

My study of Islam began after the attacks on our nation by Muslims on 9/11. I got a stack of history books from former Muslims, current Muslim authors, and experts on history and religion. I made sure I studied both sides before forming my opinion about it. I also read the Quran in its entirety, and of course I've studied the Bible all my life as well.

So I and others in this thread are qualified to speak on these things. But you? You repeat what you've heard or seen in the very biased media. You use the same knee-jerk slogans and propaganda the allegedly "peaceful" Muslim world has spun in an effort to protect their image. (Where were all these peace-loving Muslims on 9/11? Where were the riots, demonstrations, expressions of outrage over these alleged fanatics? The silence has been deafening.)

But it appears already that you're not swayed by facts or experts or even the Muslims themselves who know their religious teachings and history.

Actually, I remember specifically seeing video of Palestinians out in the street morning at our loss and telling the world that was not Islam. I also remember Muslims across the world condemning the attacks. Did all of them, no, some of them praised them. However, many Muslims viewed those attacks as unconscionable.

Of course, the other side of it as that we have spent the last 50 years propping up dictators who oppressed their citizens. So when the entire Muslim world does not have a glowing view of the United States, its not as if they don

[Guest shiloh357]

That is all nothing but one sided, un-objective hate mongering.

Nothing I said was hate-mongering it was fact, which are you are helpless to refute given your admitted lack of knowledge.

1. The crusades were a Christian attempt to regain back the holy land. We slaughtered thousands of Muslim men and women in the process. There was nothing admirable about it for either Muslims or Christians.

I am not saying that there were not atrocities, but the fact remains that the crusades would never have occurred in the first place had Christians not been consistently murdered by the Muslims. The Crusades were a repsonse, not the initiation of the violence.

2. Muslims gave less after the Tsunami than any one else because the GDP of the entire Middle East is lower than that of country of Spain alone.

You have to be kidding. The Arabs own more land than any other ethnicity in the world. They virtually control all of the oil and the Saudi Kingdom alone is worth trillions in oil revenue, but they sat on it instead of using it to help their fellow Muslims.

3. Islam is not what keeps those in the Arabian world in poverty. It

[Guest shiloh357]

Actually, I remember specifically seeing video of Palestinians out in the street morning at our loss and telling the world that was not Islam. I also remember Muslims across the world condemning the attacks. Did all of them, no, some of them praised them. However, many Muslims viewed those attacks as unconscionable.

No you didn't. There was no nothing like that shown on Nation wide TV. What was shown was palestinians and their children dancing in the streets and passing out candy. It was taken off the air by that idiot Yasir Arafat when he saw the bad press the Palestinians were getting. The Arab/Muslim world was generally pleased with what happened, and said we deserved it because of America's supossed support of Israel.

Of course, the other side of it as that we have spent the last 50 years propping up dictators who oppressed their citizens. So when the entire Muslim world does not have a glowing view of the United States, its not as if they don

[forrestkc]

Actually, I remember specifically seeing video of Palestinians out in the street morning at our loss and telling the world that was not Islam. I also remember Muslims across the world condemning the attacks. Did all of them, no, some of them praised them. However, many Muslims viewed those attacks as unconscionable.

No you didn't. There was no nothing like that shown on Nation wide TV. What was shown was palestinians and their children dancing in the streets and passing out candy. It was taken off the air by that idiot Yasir Arafat when he saw the bad press the Palestinians were getting. The Arab/Muslim world was generally pleased with what happened, and said we deserved it because of America's supossed support of Israel.

Of course, the other side of it as that we have spent the last 50 years propping up dictators who oppressed their citizens. So when the entire Muslim world does not have a glowing view of the United States, its not as if they don

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[Guest shiloh357]

Are you telling me that we had not propped up the Shaw of Iran, that we dont support the Saudi Royals? That we throughout the 80s did not provide support to Saddam, and chemical weapons, while he was using them on his own people?

I was speaking within the context of the Palestinians not the Arab world at large.

Even so, Muslim hatred of Christians is not based upon those things. Muslims hated Christians long before any of the United States' meddling in the political affairs of Arab countries ever took place. Their hatred of us is spritual, not political. We are the infidels, and as such it is their duty to make the world, "Islam." This includes the use of force if we do not convert peaceably. This is a spiritual war. It is a war of Allah vs. the true God of the Bible.

[apothanein kerdos]

I have not read the Koran. I have flipped through it a few times and noticed parallels between it and the Bible, but I have never studied it or anything. I doubt most Christians have and the ones that have, probably was a bit biased in their view of the moral teachings in it. So, when I hear some supposed

[forrestkc]

Are you telling me that we had not propped up the Shaw of Iran, that we dont support the Saudi Royals? That we throughout the 80s did not provide support to Saddam, and chemical weapons, while he was using them on his own people?

I was speaking within the context of the Palestinians not the Arab world at large.

Even so, Muslim hatred of Christians is not based upon those things. Muslims hated Christians long before any of the United States' meddling in the political affairs of Arab countries ever took place. Their hatred of us is spritual, not political. We are the infidels, and as such it is their duty to make the world, "Islam." This includes the use of force if we do not convert peaceably. This is a spiritual war. It is a war of Allah vs. the true God of the Bible.

If that were true, then why are they not going after the Chinese? Muslims don't hate us just because we are a free nation.

[apothanein kerdos]

Are you telling me that we had not propped up the Shaw of Iran, that we dont support the Saudi Royals? That we throughout the 80s did not provide support to Saddam, and chemical weapons, while he was using them on his own people?

I was speaking within the context of the Palestinians not the Arab world at large.

Even so, Muslim hatred of Christians is not based upon those things. Muslims hated Christians long before any of the United States' meddling in the political affairs of Arab countries ever took place. Their hatred of us is spritual, not political. We are the infidels, and as such it is their duty to make the world, "Islam." This includes the use of force if we do not convert peaceably. This is a spiritual war. It is a war of Allah vs. the true God of the Bible.

If that were true, then why are they not going after the Chinese? Muslims don't hate us just because we are a free nation.

Interesting fact, the reason the Muslim world avoids conflict with Asia is because they are deathly afraid of them. When the Mongols sacked Baghdad (cultural and religious capital of the Muslim world at the time) the Muslim fear of east Asia grew amazingly high. For some odd reason, that fear carries over to today.

[Guest shiloh357]

Look guys, I am not saying that Islam is some wonderful religion or anything. I am merely saying that there are two sides to everything.

You are foolishly trying to draw moral equivalencies between Christianity and Islam that do not exist. You have taken this far off topic. The issue is whether or not Islam is rooted in the belief of the true God. The answer is no.

[apothanein kerdos]

Look guys, I am not saying that Islam is some wonderful religion or anything. I am merely saying that there are two sides to everything.

You are foolishly trying to draw moral equivalencies between Christianity and Islam that do not exist. You have taken this far off topic. The issue is whether or not Islam is rooted in the belief of the true God. The answer is no.

That about covers the issue.

The mark of the Judeo-Christian God is the concept of Grace. Both Christians and Jews believe in this concept (unmerrited favour). Muslims do not. Thus they are not worshiping the one true God.