Walmart lost

[apothanein kerdos]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179558,00.html

Wal-mart now has to pay back wages that it never gave to employees. 'Bout time Wal-Mart get it deserves. Poor Sam Walton has to be turning in his grave over how his company is being run.

[WillingToDie]

'Bout time Wal-Mart get it deserves. Poor Sam Walton has to be turning in his grave over how his company is being run.

I agree

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

why can't more people care about what they are supporting instead of how cheap of a deal they can get?

do we really need "things" this much?!

walmart is in itself a terrible compromise; betting you'll compromise for a cheap deal with telling yourself some excuse why child labor and cheating employees is ok, (like oh everybody does it, hmm alot of sins start that way)and alot more their track records tell of them, -if it's ok to lie to ourselves, then guess we can try to think we clear our minds going to this place...for a moment....but can you really clear your hearts and minds if you know the place you are shopping/ supporting is so corrupt?

[Marnie]

why can't more people care about what they are supporting instead of how cheap of a deal they can get?

do we really need "things" this much?!

walmart is in itself a terrible compromise; betting you'll compromise for a cheap deal with telling yourself some excuse why child labor and cheating employees is ok, (like oh everybody does it, hmm alot of sins start that way)and alot more their track records tell of them, -if it's ok to lie to ourselves, then guess we can try to think we clear our minds going to this place...for a moment....but can you really clear your hearts and minds if you know the place you are shopping/ supporting is so corrupt?

First of all, I love Wal Mart. I shop there for good products at a low price. It's convenient, and generally I have found all the employees wonderful to deal with. I have a disability--mute--and so converse using ASL. My local Wal Mart goes out of its way to help me when I need it. As for child labor--thre are several ways to look at that, not the least of which is not every country has our regulations. Sometimes that child who is working is the major source of income for a family. I am not talking slavery here, but kids working. It wasn't so long ago that kids had to work in this country to help support a family. My friend, a high horse is dangerous to place to be sitting on.

Secondly, let's talk about how corrupt Wal Mart is. Over the past year, that corrupt business has given my church almost $3,000 in grants for various out reach projects and a small building project. I know of at least 2 other community organizations that have benefitted from Wal Mart's corruption. The Methodist church around the corner from us gets hunderds of dollars in products every summer during their VBS so the kids can go home with school supplies for the fall. I work with Autistic kids, and Wal Mart gives us tours twice a year and a free meal when we are done. Man, how corrupt is that?!?!

Thirdly, while I am major Fox Fan, there are other facts in that case that Fox didn't print, and dont forget where the case took place: California. The same state that let OJ off. There is a concerted effort in the country to impune Wal Mart for any reason--even "unpaid coffee breaks." Wal Mart is an American success story and any community that has one benefits in many ways. Of course the pay is poor--it's retail for pete's sake, they provide entry level jobs. I mean, how much education does it take to work there?? But the Libs in this country, as usual, sneer at companies like Wal Mart that have made it big.

Like I said, a high horse is a bad place to be sitting.

[apothanein kerdos]

As for child labor--thre are several ways to look at that, not the least of which is not every country has our regulations. Sometimes that child who is working is the major source of income for a family. I am not talking slavery here, but kids working. It wasn't so long ago that kids had to work in this country to help support a family. My friend, a high horse is dangerous to place to be sitting on.

You're kidding, right? These are kids that have to work 14 hours a day at 3 cents an hour...you can say they provide income but the fact is, they don't. They still live in abject poverty and Walmart exploits them for this! The reason you get things so cheap at Walmart is that Walmart, instead of helping these kids to get into school and get out of poverty, exploits them and uses them...and you tout this as a good thing?

Secondly, let's talk about how corrupt Wal Mart is. Over the past year, that corrupt business has given my church almost $3,000 in grants for various out reach projects and a small building project. I know of at least 2 other community organizations that have benefitted from Wal Mart's corruption. The Methodist church around the corner from us gets hunderds of dollars in products every summer during their VBS so the kids can go home with school supplies for the fall. I work with Autistic kids, and Wal Mart gives us tours twice a year and a free meal when we are done. Man, how corrupt is that?!?!

Yeah, we we clean animals before we kill them, what's your point? Walmart is known to exploit children, uses slave labour in China, and treats its employees in a horrible manner. They push out small business, leave people on the streets without jobs, and justifies it all in the name of "fair prices." Shaking someone's hand whilst stabbing others around you does you no good.

There is a concerted effort in the country to impune Wal Mart for any reason--even "unpaid coffee breaks." Wal Mart is an American success story and any community that has one benefits in many ways. Of course the pay is poor--it's retail for pete's sake, they provide entry level jobs. I mean, how much education does it take to work there??

In certain states you have to allow coffee breaks and if you don't you must pay employees for the time they worked during the coffee break. Walmart, as this suit proved, has not been doing that. Furthermore, Walmart was a sucess story, when Sam Walton owned it and the workers were treated fair and everything was made in America. Now it uses slave labour from Christians in China...and that apparently doesn't bother you?

[Marnie]

As for child labor--thre are several ways to look at that, not the least of which is not every country has our regulations. Sometimes that child who is working is the major source of income for a family. I am not talking slavery here, but kids working. It wasn't so long ago that kids had to work in this country to help support a family. My friend, a high horse is dangerous to place to be sitting on.

You're kidding, right? These are kids that have to work 14 hours a day at 3 cents an hour...you can say they provide income but the fact is, they don't. They still live in abject poverty and Walmart exploits them for this! The reason you get things so cheap at Walmart is that Walmart, instead of helping these kids to get into school and get out of poverty, exploits them and uses them...and you tout this as a good thing?

Secondly, let's talk about how corrupt Wal Mart is. Over the past year, that corrupt business has given my church almost $3,000 in grants for various out reach projects and a small building project. I know of at least 2 other community organizations that have benefitted from Wal Mart's corruption. The Methodist church around the corner from us gets hunderds of dollars in products every summer during their VBS so the kids can go home with school supplies for the fall. I work with Autistic kids, and Wal Mart gives us tours twice a year and a free meal when we are done. Man, how corrupt is that?!?!

Yeah, we we clean animals before we kill them, what's your point? Walmart is known to exploit children, uses slave labour in China, and treats its employees in a horrible manner. They push out small business, leave people on the streets without jobs, and justifies it all in the name of "fair prices." Shaking someone's hand whilst stabbing others around you does you no good.

There is a concerted effort in the country to impune Wal Mart for any reason--even "unpaid coffee breaks." Wal Mart is an American success story and any community that has one benefits in many ways. Of course the pay is poor--it's retail for pete's sake, they provide entry level jobs. I mean, how much education does it take to work there??

In certain states you have to allow coffee breaks and if you don't you must pay employees for the time they worked during the coffee break. Walmart, as this suit proved, has not been doing that. Furthermore, Walmart was a sucess story, when Sam Walton owned it and the workers were treated fair and everything was made in America. Now it uses slave labour from Christians in China...and that apparently doesn't bother you?

Wow you got a head of steam there, dont you. Must have hit a nerve. First of all brother, please cite your sources. I am familiar with two cases (child labor) some number of years ago that have since been dealt with. The problem with these kinds of boards is that anybody can accuse anybody else of anything and get away with it. And because we are all Christians (or claim to be) we believe you. So, let's hear your sources...your proof of the kids making a few pennies a day in China. And don't cite the New York Times, since we know we can't trust their reporters to get a story right, can we? Also, nobody espeically me condones child (slave) labor. But it is a fact of life in other countries that children do work and often have to work to help support the family. I may not like it, but that is the way it is. I wish all kids had the advantages kids in America have, but sadly most of the world is different and has different standards of living. Do you know where all your shirts, pants, car parts come from? Can you tell me for certain that women and children were not exploited to produce those products?

I am not at all sure about killing animals before we eat them. Your point is....what? I am sure it was a good one.

Furthermore, if the mom and pops cant compete with Wal Mart, do they deserve to be in business at all? It's called competition. It's a fact of life in the economy. Wal Mart provides the market with a certain kind of job for a certain kind of person. And they provide produces people can afford. I am sure in a few years Wal Mart will fade away in favor a new kind of mall or big box plaza or whatever. For the moment, Wal Mart is the Liberal's favorite punching bag. Y'all love to gang up on Wal Mart.

[apothanein kerdos]

So, let's hear your sources...your proof of the kids making a few pennies a day in China.

You ignored the slave labour portion:

Harry Wu, the world

[elkieDannsa' Air An Drochaid]

One does not have to be a "liberal" on a "high horse" or "head in steam" to see what harm corruption does or to read for facts. I would of appreciated a little courtesy and less assumption of who or what you have wrongly assumed I am, thanks.

We were discussing a subject, not here to call one another names or judge ie: misjudge one another.

Donations to churches does not show lack of corruption anymore than Muslim donations to universities show generousity without underlying intent for other motivations. Besides, it was a tax deduction.

That being said. There are alot of reasons that we can see how Walmart could treat people right if they wanted to. Here in our community the have built on Native American Burial Ground Cemetary and this is a common practice for walmart.

Also, mom and pop businesses "deserve" the right to exist and I fully support them.

It is most uncomfortable to try to answer someone when I've been personally attacked . That is not allowed by the rules of this chat as I read them.

I am not here to argue with you and so I think it better not to.

Thank you apothanein kerdos for your caring heart for the poor and suffering.

[Marnie]

So, let's hear your sources...your proof of the kids making a few pennies a day in China.

You ignored the slave labour portion:

Harry Wu, the world

[Marnie]

One does not have to be a "liberal" on a "high horse" or "head in steam" to see what harm corruption does or to read for facts. I would of appreciated a little courtesy and less assumption of who or what you have wrongly assumed I am, thanks.

We were discussing a subject, not here to call one another names or judge ie: misjudge one another.

Donations to churches does not show lack of corruption anymore than Muslim donations to universities show generousity without underlying intent for other motivations. Besides, it was a tax deduction.

That being said. There are alot of reasons that we can see how Walmart could treat people right if they wanted to. Here in our community the have built on Native American Burial Ground Cemetary and this is a common practice for walmart.

Also, mom and pop businesses "deserve" the right to exist and I fully support them.

It is most uncomfortable to try to answer someone when I've been personally attacked . That is not allowed by the rules of this chat as I read them.

I am not here to argue with you and so I think it better not to.

Thank you apothanein kerdos for your caring heart for the poor and suffering.

Thank you for your gentle rebuke. You are quite wrong, however, in thinking I attacked you. I respect you, if not your beliefs on this issue. But, let me say this. I do regret getting a little too personal, so please forgive me for that. I am very dogmatic and sometimes that comes across in a less than flattering manner, especially in words, which are cold to begin with. I know you love the Lord, as do I, so we have common ground. I am glad to be a part of the same family of which you are also a part.

So, G-d bless you this Christmas season.