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TED: It may be that you would come to understand the Bible better if you would read the Bible itself, rather than books written about it.

I clearly stated:

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Ecco,

Thanks for responding!

I appreciate your views very much. Mostly because they were my views as well, just a few short years ago. I have no pretense of superiority because I have accepted Christ and I remember well my conversations with Christians at the time. I did a little research on the various religions and felt like I was pretty well prepared for my talks with them. Looking at the Bible objectively, I had thought that I could wipe out their points, or, at least, hold my own in these matters. I used the old contradictions argument, the ridiculousness of a world flood, etc. Here's a few things I found out while doing this research:

1. Although there appear to be things that seem to contradict each other in the Bible, I feel like it was, and continues to be, my own failings of comprehension of the subject at hand, rather than God's.

2. As many supposed contradictions there may be, the number of things that do check out and line up perfectly far out number the things that seem not to.

3. Although I had thought I had a good understanding of the Bible before hand, it wasn't until ny acceptance of the work of Jesus did I truly begin to understand even the simplest of Scripture. That's why I usually will not post Scripture when dealing with people in these types of debates or discussions. If someone truly wants to know Jesus and seeks forgiveness for their sins, then I will use Scripture almost exclusively (along with testimony) and show them what God says straight from the source. Y'see, without the Holy Spirit, there is little true understanding of Scripture in the purest sense, so it almost makes no sense to use it when dealing with someone that has yet to open their heart to Jesus.

So, if being here is simply an excercise for your thought processes, then please, make yourself at home. I would much rather you hear about God in your excercises than anything else. If there is anything within the Bible that you are not familiar with, or need help in understanding, feel free to ask, and I will do my best to help.

Have a great day!

t.

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I clearly stated:

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TED: 1. Although there appear to be things that seem to contradict each other in the Bible, I feel like it was, and continues to be, my own failings of comprehension of the subject at hand, rather than God's.

2. As many supposed contradictions there may be, the number of things that do check out and line up perfectly far out number the things that seem not to.

Then you do not believe the bible to be inerrant. So where do you draw the line as to what to accept and what to reject?

TED: 3. Although I had thought I had a good understanding of the Bible before hand, it wasn't until ny acceptance of the work of Jesus did I truly begin to understand even the simplest of Scripture. That's why I usually will not post Scripture when dealing with people in these types of debates or discussions. If someone truly wants to know Jesus and seeks forgiveness for their sins, then I will use Scripture almost exclusively (along with testimony) and show them what God says straight from the source. Y'see, without the Holy Spirit, there is little true understanding of Scripture in the purest sense, so it almost makes no sense to use it when dealing with someone that has yet to open their heart to Jesus.

If there are different accounts of the resurrection, how can you know which is correct, or if either is correct?

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Hello ecco,

Then you do not believe the bible to be inerrant. So where do you draw the line as to what to accept and what to reject?

I accept what the Bible says, although it doesn't always provide all of the answers. In fact, there are many things which it does not explain, but what it does say, I accept.

I do not reject anything the Bible says. Call me a thumper, but I believe it all.

There are times where things seem to be evidence against what it says, but personally, I think most of it is misunderstanding, a lack of thorough knowledge, incomplete data, or an intentional circumstance to create a falsification.

We see this in the scientific community, as well. There have been countless times where scientists have had to reevaluate what they have thought to be true because new evidence has come about, or different observations have been made. To their credit, most will realize and accept their failings and move on with a greater knowledge.

This constant learning process is going on with the Bible, as well. There are things in it which we certainly have no clear interpretation of, but most of these so called "contradictions" happen when someone puts forth their little idea of what it really means with little more to go on but what they feel about it.

Instead of simply admitting that they do not know of which they speak, they forge ahead with an incomplete knowledge. It's sad, but it happens every day.

God has let us know that not all will be revealed to us just yet (Deu 29:29), so we must be ready to trust him when we simply do not know of a certain thing. The trouble happens when we decide to make something up to cover our failings.

Anyway, I feel that we will learn more about it, but if not, then I am happy that He has preserved enough of His word to at least have the plan of Salvation easily digestible.

If there are different accounts of the resurrection, how can you know which is correct, or if either is correct?

Good question!

Personally, I feel that there are different accounts of the event because different people were describing the same event from different angles of time and perspective. I think they are all correct, but told from different, natural perspectives, so we have emphasis in different areas.

As an example, think of several witnesses of a single car accident. The people in the car will have a different account than one standing on the street, which may be a little different from the person driving behind the car involved. Each saw the same accident, but can only give account of what they actually saw. Now, add in a person that was not there close enough to see, but heard it, and then saw the results: his account might be a little different, too.

So, no. The Bible will not give you every answer to every question, nor will it describe, in detail, every force of nature. But, it does give us enough to understand God, and what His plan is for us- both in Heaven and on Earth.

Have a great night!

t.

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Edited January 16, 2006 by ecco

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Ted,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

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Anytime.

t.