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No we only need to look at Jesus as both flesh and Spirit. Those are the distinctions He speaks of.

You are doing way more than that my friend. We would all agree that Jesus had 2 natures. But you have taken the additional step of saying that His divine nature was the Father, and His Human side was the Son. That is the issue. And it is not taught in scripture. You arrive there by inference. And the passages that speak of the Jesus sitting down next to the Father, you interperet to mean figuratively, since you can't have a physal nature of Jesus minus divinity sitting next to His divinity in heaven.

I have noticed in this discussion that we respond to the scriptures you supply, but you ognore large sections of our posts and never respond when it is difficult for you. You have never responded to many of Ovedya's and my questions. Am I to assume that is because you do not have an answer for some of them, or did you just miss them?

Also, in addition to Eric's first point (Not disregarding the point he made in the second, mind you), if the Bible is speaking figurativly, what did Stephen see?

"And he said, Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." (Acts 7:56)

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

No. it would only be Polytheism if we said they were two separate Gods. They are the same God, two persons

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

No. it would only be Polytheism if we said they were two separate Gods. They are the same God, two persons

By saying "they" you are saying it whether you admit to it or not! :24:

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

Please don't answer a question with a question. I am challenging your assertion that the term "right hand of God" is merely a metaphor.

Is Jesus God or not?

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

No. it would only be Polytheism if we said they were two separate Gods. They are the same God, two persons

By saying "they" you are saying it whether you admit to it or not! :24:

No chad, I am not. We have answered all your questions. Would you show us the same consideration by answering ours rather than just firing back question after question?

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

Please don't answer a question with a question. I am challenging your assertion that the term "right hand of God" is merely a metaphor.

Is Jesus God or not?

Yes, Jesus is God the Father manifest in flesh. He is both fully God and fully man. This has been my stance since the beginning. And by the way, I believe I have answered more of your questions than you have of mine. You are saying over and over again that Stephen saw two persons in heaven and the third person was inside him. So you are saying there was another person inside of Stephen and that when heaven opened up, Stephen saw Jesus as He was on earth and Stephen saw God the Spirit. How come Stephen is the only man in the history of the world who can see a spirit. By definition a spirit is invisible!

I feel like I am in a trinity nightmare here. I answer your questions and they are not good enough. I ask questions and get another question or an answer that isn't good enough. On and on we go. :24:

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The term at the right hand of God points to his exalted position he now is active on. There is numerous things that need to be considered to understand this phrase. The phrase right hand is a metaphor, God exercises his authority by his right hand.

Hmmm...then Stephen saw a metaphore?

Also, "sit" and "stand" are locative - pronouns in the English language.

So Stephen saw a Spirit being (God) and Jesus?

Wouldn't this be polytheism or subordinationism?

No. it would only be Polytheism if we said they were two separate Gods. They are the same God, two persons

By saying "they" you are saying it whether you admit to it or not! :24:

No chad, I am not. We have answered all your questions. Would you show us the same consideration by answering ours rather than just firing back question after question?

What is your question?

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