The Son is co-equal to the Father?

[Brother Chad]

These passages say otherwise:

-Mark 13:32, "But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

-John 5:19, "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

-John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

Clearly the Bible is not speaking of two "co-equal" and "divine" "persons" in these and other verses like them, so what is a logical explanation for these verses?

[deadman1204]

Jesus was a human at the time as well. And no created being can ever be near God's equal. As well, since the Father and the Son are aspects of the same being, Jesus couldnt do anything without the Father willing it.

[Brother Chad]

Jesus was a human at the time as well. And no created being can ever be near God's equal. As well, since the Father and the Son are aspects of the same being, Jesus couldnt do anything without the Father willing it.

Explain aspects of the "same being"? If Jesus is a co-equal person in the Godhead then He would know everything the Father knows, right? If Jesus has to wait to do anything until the Father says so, then you don't have a co-equal member, rather you have a subordinate deity, right?

[Brother Chad]

Jesus was a human at the time as well. And no created being can ever be near God's equal. As well, since the Father and the Son are aspects of the same being, Jesus couldnt do anything without the Father willing it.

Alright no one is biting just yet, but I have a feeling it will happen soon. So we have that Jesus as a man was inferior to the Father and submitted to the will of the Father. So as deity we have some who claim that Jesus was a person in the Godhead along with the Father and the Spirit.

The Bible says, "The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works" (John 14:10).

This statement of Jesus does not say that He is another person of God. He declares that everything He says is from the Father who is dwelling in Him. How can the Father dwell in the man Jesus Christ and Jesus be a co-equal "person" in the Godhead?

Colossians 2:9, " For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

This verse once again states what John 14:10 does. That in Jesus Christ ALL the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily dwells. That would mean by Trinitarian terminology that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are in Jesus because by Scripture we see that all the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Him. (As a point, in oneness we don't believe that God the Son is good terminology since the Son is referring to Jesus' humanity).

[Ovedya]

I am closing this thread pending an agreement to take this issue to the Soapbox forum.