Office of Apostle

[The Journey]

I suppose that is a classic Baptist-type view.

Nope its not a Baptist doctrine. The core set of beliefs that define the Baptist denomination do not take into regard individual beliefs about spiritual gifts. There are charismatic baptists.

BSS I just flipped the channel and guess who is there Robert Tilton...God was apparently speaking through him angry that we are not giving enough. Its so good to have apostles and prophets today. DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!! DANGER!!!!

- Steve

[godrulz]

If Tilton calls himself a prophet or apostle and is a fraud, that does not negate a potential biblical, genuine office/individual. Classic logical fallacies to take one small sample and argue to the larger case, or attack an individual's credibility to negate an unparallel argument, etc. Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are bad teachers, evangelists, pastors, doctors, and lawyers, but that does not negate the role or good ones.

Argue exegetically. Why accept only 3/5 offices in the context of a message to the churches (applicable to us by principle)?

I think the article does not adequately distinguish prophets, prophetic gifts, original apostles/prophets, local church apostles/prophets, the nature of Scripture vs offices/roles/spiritual gifts. I think a 5-fold ministry concept could be cogently developed. Some of the T.V. teachers probably do take it too far with questionable extras added.

[irishcowboy]

God does not call the Qualified, God Qualifies the called...

as far as i know, there has never been anything from God that says, that the Gifts of the Spirit have been revolked, quite the contrary...... neither has the Armor of God been taken from us unless we turn it over our selves.... and neither has any of the areas of ministry..... if we do not have any of this, it is of our own doings, not that of God revolking it.......

if we do not have the armor of God on, that is because we never put it on, or we have removed it our selves,

if we do not have the Gifts of the Spirit, it is because we never have accepted that which God is giving us, or we have relinquished it....

if we have no ministry that God has given you, then you have ignored His call, or are not listening for it, or you have turned your back on His calling for you.....

all the areas of ministry are still in effect,

if you say that one area was reserved only for one set of people, and those people are no longer around, how would that area of the ministry be fulfilled, how would the ministry be complete?

do you build a house with out windows or doors?

do you build a house with out a roof?

do you build a house with out walls?

do you build a house with out a foundation?

then how can the ministry be complete with out one area of it being in effect....

nothing has changed sincethe early church, except us....

we have turned our backs on the Lord.... not the Lord turning His back on us.....

cant you see Him Reaching towards you beckoning you to come????

cant you Hear Him calling your name? bidding you to do His work????

cant you feel Him holding you? comforting you and strengthening you????

cant you feel His tug? pulling at your sleeve? trying to get you to turn around? and see Him and Hear Him? so that you know what your calling is????

NO???? you can't???? time to repent and accept Him... take Him and Live for Him......turn it all over to Him and He will show you what He wants you to do....

do not expect Him to tell you what you want to hear....

for he will have you sell all that you have, and give to the poor and follow Him.... and you will be saddened... for you have much........

You are being called...... He is standing at your door, and is waiting for you to invite Him in, and it is your choice, whether to invite Jesus in, or if you do, are you going to let him be Lord over part of your life or your Entire life....

your choice....

mike

[godrulz]

Well worded my friends. The modern church is a caricature of the early church. We are impotent at times, because we do it our way instead of based on the principles and power of God's pattern. Satan still uses supernatural strategies to undermine God's plan and purposes. How much more do we need God's supernatural presence to fight the spiritual warfare. It is not just about church growth, seminars, media, conferences, books, etc.

[Guest Scofield]

If you do believe in modern day apostles to what extent does their apostolic power go? Are there teachings inspired or on par with scripture? If you answer no, then maybe they are do not fit the

[godrulz]

There is a distinction between the unique apostles that contributed to Scripture, and the ones mentioned in Eph. 4 that are part of local churches (especially overseeing many church plants). Their teachings are not on par with Scripture.