Questioning the Mason's

[crab3]

I havn't posted here in about a year, but I do read the wealth of infomation, and check the worthy news daily. I feel that I am constantly lead to study the Masonic Lodge, I think about them every day. Most of the men, or 'father figures' in my life are Masons, as a boy, and even more recently I would try to ask questions, only to get that 'Mason's all knowing smile.' Recent tragedy in my life, with the loss of my 18 y/o brother has everyone in my family questioning a lot about life. Being a baptised believer, I got the opportunity to baptise my mom and dad, and watch them go to church, along with my grandparents for the first time, and they continue to go. During the time after a death, where people gather at your house for days, even weeks on end, bringing food and hugs, a friend of mine was there every day he had off from work. He is a Christian as well, and played a big role in my salvation, he is very well versed in the Bible, and has a good sized library of theology and cult studies books. We are 23 yrs old, he speaks at his church every other sunday evening.

Point of all this is to set up the question, my friend (Jon) was there for me and my family, we prayed and what not. One of these days, my grandpa, a Mason was involved in a somewhat religious conversation, to which ended with him walking away claiming that John the baptist was a Mason, which I think is crap, quite frankly. My questions are these so far, how do the elder of the 'well versed' among us here deal with such confrontation? and also, in the end times it is said that the anti christ will attemp to unify the world under one religion, all of my studies have left me thinking that the masons with be all about this one religion teaching, due to their belief and practice of not wanting to offend any one mason, or anyone wanting to become a mason, they say you must believe in A god, and they refer to God as the Architect of the Universe, so as not to use words from the bible

thoughts????\

thanks

crabs><>

[JMJ]

Crab3,

I would steer clear of the Masons. I cannot go into all of the evidence here but there is good reason to believe that that organization is satanic. St. John the Baptist was definitely not a Mason. Masonry originated with the stone mason guilds of Medieval Europe. During the "Enlightenment" and the French Revolution the Masons turned increasingly anti-Christian.

Hope this helps.

Tony

[mike2]

I havn't posted here in about a year, but I do read the wealth of infomation, and check the worthy news daily. I feel that I am constantly lead to study the Masonic Lodge, I think about them every day. Most of the men, or 'father figures' in my life are Masons, as a boy, and even more recently I would try to ask questions, only to get that 'Mason's all knowing smile.' Recent tragedy in my life, with the loss of my 18 y/o brother has everyone in my family questioning a lot about life. Being a baptised believer, I got the opportunity to baptise my mom and dad, and watch them go to church, along with my grandparents for the first time, and they continue to go. During the time after a death, where people gather at your house for days, even weeks on end, bringing food and hugs, a friend of mine was there every day he had off from work. He is a Christian as well, and played a big role in my salvation, he is very well versed in the Bible, and has a good sized library of theology and cult studies books. We are 23 yrs old, he speaks at his church every other sunday evening.

Point of all this is to set up the question, my friend (Jon) was there for me and my family, we prayed and what not. One of these days, my grandpa, a Mason was involved in a somewhat religious conversation, to which ended with him walking away claiming that John the baptist was a Mason, which I think is crap, quite frankly. My questions are these so far, how do the elder of the 'well versed' among us here deal with such confrontation? and also, in the end times it is said that the anti christ will attemp to unify the world under one religion, all of my studies have left me thinking that the masons with be all about this one religion teaching, due to their belief and practice of not wanting to offend any one mason, or anyone wanting to become a mason, they say you must believe in A god, and they refer to God as the Architect of the Universe, so as not to use words from the bible

thoughts????\

thanks

crabs><>

God has a plan for all of us. He calls us to many different things because He wants us to speak of Him in many environments.

Personally, my thoughts, I dont see a problem learning about the Masons, provided you are well grounded in your faith, continue to study Gods word and have a support goup of fellow Christians around you.

I definately would not get involved with the Masons in order to learn about them though.

I would be curious to hear where your grandfather got the notion that John the Baptist was a mason......some religious teaching? was it taught by the Masons?

[crab3]

Sorry, i should have clarified, i have no desire to join the masons, but i am coming to an age where the 'father figures' in my life are starting more conversations geared towards recruitment. i don't want to join, while i don't think it was their original intent to become 'satanic,' or to defy our christian teaching of salvation and Jesus Christ, i do believe that as the world goes on, they are becoming something of a cult. they teach their members that in order to get to the 'Grand Lodge Above,' all they have to do to be recieved by 'a god' on the 'other side,' is be a morally just and good man in this life, we all know thats crap, i hope.

i think my grand pa got the John the baptist was a mason due to the growing stories that have come about in the years past. Even if he was a mason, he sucked as a Mason, i think it would be an impossible task being Jesus's disciple, teaching the Gospel to the masses, yet promote the values and teachings of the lodge, its not possible.

again, my intent here was to see how others would handle such a conversation, or avoid, or even try to educate the 'good folks.'

thanks for the input so far.

crabs><>

[WayneB]

again, my intent here was to see how others would handle such a conversation, or avoid, or even try to educate the 'good folks.'

If pulled into a coversation with a Mason, I would ask just a few simple questions and share a handful of Scriptures to make my point.

Why the secrecy? IF the Masons are a sound and worthy organization, why aren't they open to scrutiny? Why do they fear the LIGHT of oversight from outside the organization? Most often, things done in the dark are done so to avoid accountability.

My second question that I would ask is if they really know the meaning behind the various rituals they participate in, especially the real meaning behind the initiation rituals? Weird stuff much of it having pagan origins.

My concern with the Masonic Order, other than the obvious rejection of Jesus Christ as the ONLY Way to the Father, is as with any other organization rooted in secrecy and ritual. They really can't defend it on the basis of "tradition". Traditions with NO meaning are empty and have no purpose. The traditions of the Masons have purpose even if the members don't know what that is; it is only logical to assume the purpose is not good since it is clouded in secrecy.

Jesus never spoke or acted in "secret".

"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret. John 18:20

The apostles never spoke or acted in "secret".

Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 2 Cor 4:1-3

Secrecy will get them no where but under condemnation.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them