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:emot-handshake: Awesome comeback for him!

God bless!

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Yes Indeed !! Amen ! :wub:

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I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative here, I think this could be a fruitful discussion. I'm just trying to understand the view you're coming from here.

Tess...yes I am sure the "system" has faults but I played the "the church is at fault" card with the Lord and He made it clear to me that I cannot blame a preacher for my not knowing the truth...

I stand accountable to the Lord for my decisions and no one else is to blame for me...

Why do you equate "the church" with "the preacher"? I'm trying to understand what you're saying here. You state that, I'm assuming, you were complaining to the Lord about a particular church, and He responded with saying you cannot blame a preacher? This confuses me because the Lord, more than anyone, would know that you (yourself as a believer) are the church. Perhaps this is what the Lord was convicting you of? Of course I agree that we all have personal responsibilty for responding to the truth (like I've already stated). But God did establish leadership within the church (pastors/elders), and He expects them to lead by example, along with teaching/preaching the truth of the gospel. So there is clearly responsibility on both sides.

This man (believer or no)cannot blame the Church for his lack of desire to know God...

no matter what church he attends...

We can't blame them entirely, but yes...we can blame them in part. Otherwise, why would Paul consider it important enough to admonish believers (in nearly every epistle he wrote) about avoiding false teachers? The body/church does have the authority, as well as the responsibility, to see to it that those who are leading are doing so in accordance with Scripture. Biblical body life includes holding one another accountable, including the leaders.

I have complete faith in the Lord to keep me in the truth...

Is this not true with all who call upon Him for truth???

Is it foolish of me to believe God is able to meet everyone who calls upon Him for truth??

Truth, wisdom and spiritual maturity are all things that must be pursued. God doesn't just enlighten us without any effort of our own. There are so many Scriptures pertaining to this I can't even begin to scratch the surface. Even Christ Himself spent the majority of His life growing in knowledge before He even began His earthly ministry. Of course the Lord answers the call of those who are seeking Him, but He also requires those who are seeking Him to earnestly seek . :)

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Yes...everyone is at fault...

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I have really enjoyed reading these posts, I have a big grin on my face even as I am writing in the aftermath. :):24:

The come back was fun and all, but all to often what was said in the opening post is so true of so many people, myself having had the same observation at different times in my own life's experiences as a "Church Goer."

I chose to examine myself and....

I saw three different avenues avalible to one in such a quandry.

1. Maintain the facade.

2. Stop going and risk unbelief.

3. Find a place to put the life of Christ in me to work!

I chose door #3.

If someone is willing to just keep up the facade and wait till the end, I would want them to listen to the scriptures and head the warning.

2Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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2Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Excellent scripture Dave...thanks..

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2Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Excellent scripture Dave...thanks..

Thank you tah.

Daave

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If he can come up with remarks like that why isn't he a preacher? :thumbsup:

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