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[Ovedya]

...Coming from a non-believer of conventional faith, could you lot clear some things up for me? (And hopefully not become too offended, for I intend on poking at your brains. <3)

-Without referancing the bible, can you support your opinions on homosexuals/homosexual behavior?

I really don't mean to rock the boat here (I lied, I do actually), but I've met too many people who merely tell me that 'the bible says so'- and nothing else. I'm hoping some you can help me understand this, nonetheless valid, viewpoint.

Can you think of any time that two male or two female vertibrates produced offspring through sexual intercourse?

[Bird161221]

Then again, why should marriage be about solely producing children? Straight as I am, I don't want kids.

And...honestly....the world has enough children (not to mention people), so it's an impractical arguement by a bit....

<3?

-Bird

((And...technically...some off brand species of fish all start out female, and when the need for reproduction arises, turn male...so technically...it's just a female avec sperm....then again, that might make it a transgendered fish of sorts, wouldn't it? "))

Edited June 8, 2006 by Bird161221

[Ovedya]

Then again, why should marriage be about solely producing children? Straight as I am, I don't want kids.

And...honestly....the world has enough children, it's an impractical arguement by a bit....

<3?

-Bird

Not sure if this was in response to me, but I'm going to answer anyway. Marriage is not about producing children only.

The world has enought children? Maybe only someone who doesn't want children would make such a statement. I haveknown plenty of people who cannot have children, that would love to have children.

[Bird161221]

Such predicaments homosexuals find themselves in, I'm sure. But for, again, the sake of practicality- the children arguement is not sitting well. I can understand in past times the need for marriage (and therefore kids)....but, largely the threat of extinction of the human race is gone.

More reasons for marriage? Love, mayhap?...My sole reason for marrying, if and when I do.

<3,

-Bird

[Ovedya]

Such predicaments homosexuals find themselves in, I'm sure. But for, again, the sake of practicality- the children arguement is not sitting well. I can understand in past times the need for marriage (and therefore kids)....but, largely the threat of extinction of the human race is gone.

More reasons for marriage? Love, mayhap?...My sole reason for marrying, if and when I do.

<3,

-Bird

My answer to you was with regard to homosexual behavior. You asked, "Without referancing the bible, can you support your opinions on homosexuals/homosexual behavior?"

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

...Coming from a non-believer of conventional faith, could you lot clear some things up for me? (And hopefully not become too offended, for I intend on poking at your brains. <3)

-Without referancing the bible, can you support your opinions on homosexuals/homosexual behavior?

I really don't mean to rock the boat here (I lied, I do actually), but I've met too many people who merely tell me that 'the bible says so'- and nothing else. I'm hoping some you can help me understand this, nonetheless valid, viewpoint.

Yes, statistically suicide rates are higher amongst homosexuals as well as instances of sexually transmitted disease.

Depression is another factor.

It is an abysmal existance to go against that for which you were created.

Peace,

Dave

[apothanein kerdos]

Most High, I understand your point, so how about this? I will join you in supporting a Consititutional Amendment to make divorce illegal if you will join me in supporting a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. I haven't heard anyone suggest that before, but it seems like a good idea. It would force people to think more seriously about what they are doing before rushing into a marriage if they knew it was really till death do us part.

I think divorce is legitimate in certain cases, such as an abusive spouse, a cheating spouse, things of that nature. However, it's way too flippant in these days. "I just don't like him/her." Then go get some counseling, because you are the one that made the commitment. I would support laws that made it more difficult for divorce in a heart beat.

[Matthitjah]

Neocons????

I don't think it boils down to that and now who is showing their prejudice?

Homphobia, naw I love them way too much to have that problem, so does God.

I don't like divorce anymore than you do. So we agree on something although I have the feeling that Homosexual Divorce would be allright with you.

The reason we need a law for it's prevention is so that we do not dumb down deviancy. Take a look at what Homosexual Marriage has wrought in the Netherlands. Now the Pedophiles are demanding their rights. Why not? It's all relative.

Peace,

Dave

[rollinTHUNDER]

Don't you conservatives repubs feel a little used on this issue? Don't you feel like you're being manipulated for political gain?

It's just politics as usual. Which party do you think Jesus would support? He saw very similar politics in His days on the earth as well. Only the names have changed. Jesus saw the struggle between two different parties, the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

He gave His support to neither, claiming that His kingdom was not of this world. And we too, need to decide if we are going to be conservative republicans, liberal democrats or born again Christians who are supposed to be representing Christ. Jesus separated Himself from this world and all of the lusts of the flesh. Aren't we supposed to do the same thing? Isn't that what being holy is all about?

I must admit that I used to put a republican label on myself, but no more. Politicians are only trying to buy your vote. They say whatever they think will make them the most popular. I'm not buying none of it anymore. I vote for the lesser of two evils now, but soon there is coming a day when Christians will no longer have a choice. And they will force all, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to take the mark? Who are we to vote for then?

[rollinTHUNDER]

By the way, from what you said about Christians being forced to take the mark of the beast, do I take it you don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture?

Hi Butero,

As you more than likely know, Christians can not take the mark, and if they do, they were not true Christians to begin with.

As for the pre-trib rapture, that's a good question. However, I'm out of time tonight, so if you don't mind I'd like a chance to answer that tomorrow. My stance on this issue has changed somewhat, so I will be glad to throw in my 2 cents, for whatever 2 cents is worth.

See you tomorrow then,

Lord willing