giants real???

[prcfighter]

i dont know a verse but i was told something about angels coming down and sleeping with women and giving birth to giants, or "superhumans". is this true and if it is can you give a reference. thank you in advance

Peter-the rock

[rfw]

Gen 6:1 And it came about that men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them.

Gen 6:2 The sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were good, and they took wives for themselves from all those whom they chose

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Gen 6:4 The giants were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore to them; they were heroes which existed from ancient time, the men of name.

Some interpret "sons of God" as angels, some interpret it as descendants of Seth - the Godly line, with the descendants of Cain - the ungodly line - being called the daughters of men. My opinion: since Jesus said that angels neither marry nor are given in marriage, that excludes them as a possibility. So I would tend to lean toward a differentiation between those who sought after God and those who sought only after the things of the flesh.

I also saw one commentator who believed that the word translated "giants" in this passage actually referred more to attitude (conqueror) than stature.

[prcfighter]

ah so it seems that the ones that were Godly had a military succes and became known and great for their statue as warriors. do you know the verse where jesus says that angels dont marry. and thanks for the info

[RND]

ah so it seems that the ones that were Godly had a military succes and became known and great for their statue as warriors. do you know the verse where jesus says that angels dont marry. and thanks for the info

I think a wonderful website to access information, Scripture, etc. is Bible Gateway

As to your question I think it is rather telling that in each instance the term "sons of God" is used the "G" is always capitalized. I think from this simple fact alone we can determine that there is nothing dastardly or sinister in referrence to the phrase itself.

I think it should be considered a good thing to be a "son of God!"

Genesis 6:2 and 4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Romans 8:19, Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1 and 2.

As for the justification for this, many people falsely teach that in Genesis 6:2 and 4 the were fallen angels as you mentioned, but don't believe it. They say the word giants is a discription of fallen angels.

According to the Strong's Concordance:

Giants in Hebrew is:

#5303 n@phiyl {nef-eel'} or n@phil {nef-eel'}

Which means:

1) giants, the Nephilim

Where they justify this is from the meaning of the root word for giants:

#5307 naphal {naw-fal'}

Which means:

1) to fall, lie, be cast down, fail

a) (Qal)

1) to fall

2) to fall (of violent death)

3) to fall prostrate, prostrate oneself before

4) to fall upon, attack, desert, fall away to , go away to, fall into the hand of

5) to fall short, fail, fall out, turn out, result

6) to settle, waste away, be offered, be inferior to

7) to lie, lie prostrate

b) (Hiphil)

1) to cause to fall, fell, throw down, knock out, lay prostrate

2) to overthrow

3) to make the lot fall, assign by lot, apportion by lot

4) to let drop, cause to fail (fig.)

5) to cause to fall

c) (Hithpael)

1) to throw or prostrate oneself, throw oneself upon

2) to lie prostrate, prostrate oneself

d) (Pilel) to fall

It's a stretch, but I suppose it only goes to proove you can make the Bible say anything you want if you try hard enough.

God Bless.

[mrcorey]

ah so it seems that the ones that were Godly had a military succes and became known and great for their statue as warriors. do you know the verse where jesus says that angels dont marry. and thanks for the info

Matthew 22:30

-c-

[EricH]

The Nephilim (literally from the Hebrew verb meaning "to fall") were a group of men considered to be giants because of their physical prowess. The Nephilim were on the earth before and after the time that the "sons of God" interbred with the daughters of men in Genesis 6:2

The sense of Genesis 6 is a description of the general evil of the day. Here is my take on the meaning:

1. The "sons of God" was probably a reference to the Godly line coming from Seth. They did evil in God's sight by interbreeding with women outside the Godly line.

2. The Nephilim were a group of men that due to their physical size were able to "fall" upon others using violence.

3. The irony is that both the evil Nephilim and the "sons of God" were intermarrying and interbreeding with the same women. The offspring of the line of Seth and the duaghters of men produced children who were well thought of by the world (6:4), but not by God (6:5)

4. Genesis 6:5 says that God looked upon these events and others and saw that mankind was basically heading headlong onto evil.

It should be noted some feel that the term "Sons of God" refers to demonic beings that interbred with humans. They conclude this because the term "sons of God" is frequently used for angelic beings.

I have concluded that the term refers to the offspring of Seth, because of the followng:

1. Genesis 6 follows immediately on the heels of a contrast the ungodly line of Cain (Genesis 4) and the Godly line of Seth (Genesis 5) Genesis then begins with the idea that women were being born outside of the Godly line of Seth, and the offspring of Seth began to desire them.

2. In no place in scripture are angelic beings described has having the ability to reproduce. In fact Jesus indicated that angelic beings are in fact asexual in nature (Mark 12:25)

3. In Genesis 6:9-13 a new "Godly line" is established that begins with Noah. His line is now pure and undefiled.

Summary

1. The Nephilim were a race of physically superior people that used their advantage to "fall" upon people.

2. The Godly line of Seth began intermarrying with women outside the Godly line.

3. The evil nephilim also began intermarrying with the same women.

4. This dissolution of the Godly line was evil in God's sight (this is a theme that will follow Israel throughout her existance), but produced offspring that were well thought of by the current populace.

5. Because of this, God determined to judge the world by wiping out humanity except for those who belonged to the new Godly line beginning with Noah

[RND]

i dont know a verse but i was told something about angels coming down and sleeping with women and giving birth to giants, or "superhumans". is this true and if it is can you give a reference. thank you in advance

Peter-the rock

It actually starts from the Torah or Pentateuch which is the first 5 books of our Bible also known to Judaism as "The Law", the word "Giants" to which we read in our modern english translations was originally a direct translation from Hebrew as the "Nephilim" which meant "The Fallen Ones".

The Torah, Genesis 6,4: The Nephilim were in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same were the mighty men that were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:2 teaches us that the Sons of God saw the daughters of Men and that they were fair, (beautiful) and they took wives of all which they chose. I would venture to say that taking wives of all which they chose doesn't quite come accross as "arranged marriages". Clearly the literal translation would be that they took the woman by choice, with or without the families blessing.

The "Sons of God" in fact are not the sons of Seth or they would have been referred to as the "Sons of Man" further proof from scripture ie;

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

When Lucifer rebelled against God as punishment he and his followers were cast down to earth (Fallen Ones) They fell from the grace of God. They were placed in human form upon the earth. The verse you are looking for where Christ says that Angels do not marry is quite often misinterpreted too generally. When examining the verse you are looking for in particular which is Mathew 22:28-30, you can literally interpret the verse to have reference to the resurrection only.

Jesus never said that Angels could not marry he clearly referred to how things are in Heaven and that we are no longer of flesh but are like Angels in Heaven. God himself came to earth in human form in the form of flesh...The fallen ones had to also.

28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Jesus explains that only in the resurrection they neither marry for they are like Angels in Heaven, the Sons of God were in the earth they were in human form and of flesh, so clearly they could also procreate.

Peace

CJ

As I said, it's a stretch, but I suppose it only goes to prove you can make the Bible say anything you want if you try hard enough.

Edited July 12, 2006 by RND

[RND]

i dont know a verse but i was told something about angels coming down and sleeping with women and giving birth to giants, or "superhumans". is this true and if it is can you give a reference. thank you in advance

Peter-the rock

It actually starts from the Torah or Pentateuch which is the first 5 books of our Bible also known to Judaism as "The Law", the word "Giants" to which we read in our modern english translations was originally a direct translation from Hebrew as the "Nephilim" which meant "The Fallen Ones".

The Torah, Genesis 6,4: The Nephilim were in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same were the mighty men that were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:2 teaches us that the Sons of God saw the daughters of Men and that they were fair, (beautiful) and they took wives of all which they chose. I would venture to say that taking wives of all which they chose doesn't quite come accross as "arranged marriages". Clearly the literal translation would be that they took the woman by choice, with or without the families blessing.

The "Sons of God" in fact are not the sons of Seth or they would have been referred to as the "Sons of Man" further proof from scripture ie;

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

When Lucifer rebelled against God as punishment he and his followers were cast down to earth (Fallen Ones) They fell from the grace of God. They were placed in human form upon the earth. The verse you are looking for where Christ says that Angels do not marry is quite often misinterpreted too generally. When examining the verse you are looking for in particular which is Mathew 22:28-30, you can literally interpret the verse to have reference to the resurrection only.

Jesus never said that Angels could not marry he clearly referred to how things are in Heaven and that we are no longer of flesh but are like Angels in Heaven. God himself came to earth in human form in the form of flesh...The fallen ones had to also.

28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Jesus explains that only in the resurrection they neither marry for they are like Angels in Heaven, the Sons of God were in the earth they were in human form and of flesh, so clearly they could also procreate.

Peace

CJ

As I said, it's a stretch, but I suppose it only goes to prove you can make the Bible say anything you want if you try hard enough.

OK! I agree with your interpretation because you incorrectly translated Giants from English to Hebrew, the actual word "Nephilim" is exactly how it is pronounced in Hebrew and is directly translated as "Fallen Ones"...Giants came much later in History and was again a mis-translation from Hebrew to Greek, from Greek to English...so yes I guess from that perspective you can have the Bible say anything you want it to.

CJ

CJ,

It is always helpful to pay extremely close attention to how a word is used and it's meaning in Hebrew lexicon and usage, not just what Arnold Murray says.

1) giants, the Nephilim

Edited July 13, 2006 by RND

[7cworldwide]

I suggest you read this: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/nephilim.pdf

[RND]

I suggest you read this: http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/nephilim.pdf

Thank you Brother!

Very helpful and quite enlightening.

Fallen angels that mated with women and created a whole different race indeed!

Very tabloid and un-Biblical. Geez.