Influences of Rock Music

[sweetycakes]

Quote: Tracyann:

"May I ask you, Do you listen to any secular music? If yes, why? If No, why?

Well, actually, Tracyann, I do listen to secular music sometimes. I am, I suppose, of the old school.. I am 42 years old. My favourite all-time group is Roxy Music, with Bryan Ferry. I also listen to quite a lot of Bob Dylan. I like his old stuff, and especially his post-conversion, Christian music.

I also listen to the odd track here and there, from various other artists, which I like. Many of them probably wouldn't ring a bell with you, I don't know.

I like the Who. (I know they are featured on the website I linked to above), but I just happen to like their music. I also like the Jam, David Bowie, Abba, .....the list goes on, actually.....

I posted this link, however, to simply inform other members that we should be aware when listening to Rock Music, as to where the influence comes from, and to use our discernment when choosing to listen to such groups.

Anyone who has openly aligned themselves with Satan I avoid, such as the Beatles, Madonna, modern rap artists, etc...

Hope this clears things up for you somewhat!

[sweetycakes]

You werent a mod, were you?

The Who, the Jam. I love the Jam too. Just danced to Beat Surrender the other day.

Must admit I tend to lean toward the 'mod' groups -

Most the the songs from The Who's Quadrophenia album is on my favourites in RealPlayer. I listen to them regularly!

Even their other stuff as well.

The Jam? Yeah....that's entertainment!

Is it that they have something of a meaningul message in some of their songs, or is it that it's hard to let go? I don't know.

Anyway, I enjoy them.

Glad to find a kindred spirit!

[LadyGunivere]

I played The Who on a football field in the middle of about 5 or 6 thousand people...Pinball Wizard, Miles and Miles and one other!! IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!

[jonpantomime]

for me, i am a 23 year old guy.

i also experience first hand what rock music does to me.

cant sleep at night, cos it plays in your head over and over again.

you act differently, impulsive and not patient with anyone you meet.

makes you go on this frenzy, eats up your mind subsconsicously, with the lyrics or the tempo of the music.

for me personally, i rather not listen to it, cos no matter whether you dont care about the lyrics being played, it goes into your head.

for me, at the moment, i listen to mostly christian music.

[Tye#2]

I was looking through this website about rock music and it's (often) satanic influences. Now, I like music as much as the next person, and I like some of the artists shown on this site, but things like this teach us to at least aware of what we are listening to sometimes. Is anyone else aware of these things?

Any comments?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%...anic_quotes.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%...c_no_effect.htm

Any music that causes you to move your body in a way that you would not move it before the Lord is a sin. Any lyric that are about worldly things is a sin, too.

[billie]

What do you classify as "earthly"?

[dgolvach]

I was looking through this website about rock music and it's (often) satanic influences. Now, I like music as much as the next person, and I like some of the artists shown on this site, but things like this teach us to at least aware of what we are listening to sometimes. Is anyone else aware of these things?

Any comments?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%...anic_quotes.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%...c_no_effect.htm

Any music that causes you to move your body in a way that you would not move it before the Lord is a sin. Any lyric that are about worldly things is a sin, too.

I take your not a Slipknot fan?

Dan

[billie]

Slipknot?! YEEE-IKES!!!

[Gerioke]

What is considered rock?

I like CCR. They were considered rock in the early 70s but would be considered fairly tame now. John Fogerty is also a Christian and has recorded the occasional gospel song.

Zepplin was a big disappointment to me. I thought they were cool until "The song remains the same" came out. Im was also bummed to find that Page is a satanist.

I had stared a topic once that put forth the question;

What is more dangerous, Subtle satanic music such as the Beatles, or blatant satanic music such as the Stones. As much as I hate Sympathy for the Devil, I believe that the subtle messages in Beatles type music is more dangerous.

Yes/No?

[tdrehfal]

As to the first page:

Most of the "groups" listed on those pages are mass market, and they will sing anything they think will sell. Some of them like Manson actually are satanists. Some of them are just, well, people who sing about sin. Sin sells, so yeah, the lyrics are gonna eventually be sinful. In any case...

The lyrics of a song determine the usefulness of that song to me. If a song is blasphemous and there is no reason for it, then I'm not gonna listen to it.

And yes there may be a reason for it. If you take certain verses in Ecclesiastes out of the context of the whole bible they would be speaking lies. A while back there was a gothic group with a singer who became a Christian. She made a dual album set, I think it was called the black and white, I'm not sure. One represented her life before Christ, one represented her life after. It's been years since I listened to it, but the whole message of the set was a gospel message, however there was stuff in the first album which out of context said evil things. It was her life before she was saved and was not written from the point of view of looking back at it, but as she was living it. Both albums were created from a "now" standpoint. I'm not going to tell people to avoid the whole set, just as I'm not going to section off parts of Ecclesiastes. The album has a coherant message and the message is good.

Should a person listen to music which is produced or sung by people which sing about sin, even if the song in question is not singing about sin? I don't think you can make that rule and make it stick biblically. Even totally evil people speak the truth once in a while and when they do, there is nothing wrong with listening to them.

Should a person listen to music which discusses sin from the standpoint of a sinner (ie someone who is either doing it or likes to do it or wants to do it?). That is a debatable topic, and I don't think we can make a rule about that, otherwise you can't read part of Ecclesiastes either.

As to the second page: See comments above.

Also: I don't know of any Christian, or any CCM band who promotes the lifestyles of the secular bands which are involved in "rock" music, so you won't have any comments there I don't think.

Also: I can find nothing in scripture which indicates there is a beat or set of beats or sounds which is inherently evil. There is no music theory at all in the bible, there is no beat which is used by evil which could not also be used by good described in scripture. If we are to not sin, then we have to know that something is a sin. All sins are listed in scripture. Demonic beats are not. And if it's truly satanic I'm sure it would have been, God would not want us to sin by accident. The bible is sufficient, everything we need is in there. if certain music was evil, it would have been mentioned or the bible could not be sufficient for life and godliness.

Second, Satan does not create, he imitates. He did not create any kind of music, even if he influenced people who invented the music to put evil lyrics in the songs. The music style is a frame, the song is the picture. A picture frame can hold a picture of a family or an orgy. It's not the frame's fault if a sinful person stuffs a porno pic into the frame. If we are to take this arguement that because some rock music has evil lyrics all rock music is evil regardless of the lyrics...you have the same line of reasoning which says people don't kill people guns do and flies cause garbage. Therefore if CCM wants to use a structure of music which is common in society, there is nothing wrong with it. It's like putting a nice picture into a frame that used to hold a porno picture.

The critique of CCM was interesting (Christian or Satanic?). I could assent to some of the things said about what the content of a good Christian song should be. I do get really tired of choruses which repeat the same thing over and over again or songs which don't say who you are loving and adoring is so it could just as well be a spouse or boyfriend (I call them "Jesus is your boyfriend songs"). I don't think that a song which doesn't directly say is EVIL, but I know that most christian musicians are better lyric writers than this and could actually come up with songs with good doctrine. I don't think that Petra is evil, but they certainly don't compare to Steve Camp do they?

However the arguement had to degrade into the"well the devil used this venue so now we can't" nonsense. And they mentioned Martin Luther making his hymns to the tunes of German drinking songs...(I would like to know which one A mighty fortress was written to, I can't imagine slamming my beer mug to that)... but never addressed the crux of the issue. The issue is that a song had (potentially, I don't know if ALL German beer drinking songs are about being drunk but all the ones I learned in German class were) evil lyrics and Luther took the format and made consecrated music to it. It does not matter if, as the article says "But the thrust of the popular music of Luther's time and the thrust of our pop music is as different as night is from day. There was a systematic unity in the sixteenth century musical world which no longer exists in today's music.