Dangerous Heresy

[EricH]

Actually many heresies sprout up in within the wall of churches we would consider OK.

[truthbringer]

Word of faith doctrine is heretical and dangerous. Too many Christians believe in it or accept it as "just a movement in the church" without really understanding what it is.

1. Word-Faith teaches that God is bound by the law of faith and this means He is obligated to obey the faith-filled commands and desires of believers. (Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, pp. 60-62). This is hogwash. We as creations have NO right to command God, though we can request things in faith. And God the almighty has the right to say NOOOOO if He decides it best. WE do not presume to command God, GOD commands US. God is the only One who ever created reality by the power of His Word (Genesis 1:3).

2. Word of Faith teaches that man is not the "image of God" but that man is divine." God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself...He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even" (Copeland, Following the Faith of Abraham, 1989, Tape #01-3001). "You don't have a God in you you are one!" (Copeland, The Force of Love, 1987, Tape #02-0028). This is a direct contradiction of scripture and is a heresy of the highest order. He was created in the image of God (Genesis 1:26, 27; 9:6), but bearing God's image does not make him a "little god." By definition, God is an "uncreated" or self-existent Being. Obviously, humans were created and therefore are not self-existent or divine; only God has a divine nature (Galatians 4:8; Isaiah 1:6-11, 43:10, 44:6; Ezekiel 28:2; Psalms 8:6-8).

3. Word of Faith doctrine is heretical as related to the nature and work of the atonement."Physical death will not remove sins" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p. 29). In other words, it took the spiritual death of Jesus "Do you think that the punishment of our sins was to die on the cross? If that was the case, the two thieves could have paid our price. No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God" (K. C. Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger, June 1990, p. 7). "Just as Adam died spiritually, Jesus died spiritually. The spiritual death He suffered caused His physical body to die.... When Jesus accepted the sin nature of Satan into His Spirit He cried 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?' He was separated from God... He was ushered into the bowels of hell" (Kenneth Copeland, Classic Redemption, p. 13) "Spiritual death means having Satan's nature" (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p. 31). Jesus becomes a sinner in need of redemption. "Jesus was born again in the pit of Hell....The Church started when Jesus was born again in the gates of Hell" (Charles Capps, Authority In Three Worlds, pp. 212 13). This is all lies from the bowels of hell. The real truth is here....(Hebrews 9:22). Christ said, "It is finished" (John 19:30), which translates tetelistai meaning "paid for in full." Payment for our sins took place on the cross (Matt. 26:28; 1 Pet. 2:24; Col. 1:20-22; Heb. 10:10, 12, 14, 19 20). There was nothing more to pay beyond the cross (Heb. 10:18).

4. Word of Faith has a heretical view of man: Kenneth Copeland says, "And the whole New Testament calls Him the first-born....The word "born" began to ring in my spirit; it just began to roll around: born, born. I never had let Him go through that in my own thinking....And while I was laying there thinking about these things, the Spirit of God spoke to me. And He said, "Son, realize this: Now follow Me in this, don't let your tradition trip you up." He said, "Think this way: A twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain." And I threw my Bible down. I said, "What?" He said, "A born-again man defeated Satan. The first-born of many brethren defeated him." He said, "You are the very image and the very copy of that one." I said, "Goodness gracious, sakes alive!" And I began to see what had gone on in there, and I said, "You don't mean--you couldn't dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?" He said, "Oh, yeah, if you'd had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could have done the same thing, 'cause you're a reborn man, too."Kenneth Copeland, "What Happened from the Cross to the Throne" tape # 02-0017. I hope I really don't have to explain what is wrong with this??

There is alot more to word of faith doctrine, but this should be a good start.

[1]Jesus teaches faith, Paul teaches faith, Maybe you are a little misinformed about Bible doctrines.

[2]The Greek says, We are humanly divine and divine'ly human.

[3] Maybe these men have a greater revelation then you do, [it appear's that they do]

[truthbringer]

LadyRaven you are so right....................I was in the WOF movement for years and the things you quote are really what these men teach.

This is something I wrote a while back, it's called Roadmap of a new religion.........It is obvious false doctrine yet people keep giving their money to support it!

Road map of the new religion.

God makes man in his image. He makes him a little god. His name is Adam and he was made on terms of equality with God(KH) Adam was in the presence of God without any consciousness of inferiority(KH) He is not even subordinate to God(KC) He is made a god of earth. He is given all authority of the Earth and he could fly. He flew to space.(BH)

Then God became the greatest failure in the Bible.(KC) Adam sins and gives his lordship authority to satan. Now satan is God of Earth. God cannot do anything because he is bound by spiritual laws. God is on the outside looking in(KC) The only way God can come back in is by making covenents with men.

[Floatingaxe]

One thing about them, they back up what they say by the word.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just because in your ignorance you disagree, Doesn't mean it is wrong. One thing about them, they back up what they say by the word.

So far on this post everything has been mans opinion.

They back up what they say by the Word?? Okay, since you see the above list as totally Word-based teaching, provide for me the places where the Bible says that:

1. God much have man's permission to work in this realm;

2. Jesus became "born again" in Hell. Where does the Bible say Jesus was "born again?" Specifically?

3. Jesus' death on the cross was not enough to save us.

4. That it is okay to put curses on people that disagree with you.

I would love for you to show me those 4 word of faith teachings from the Bible, chapter and verse.

[Floatingaxe]

Just because in your ignorance you disagree, Doesn't mean it is wrong. One thing about them, they back up what they say by the word.

So far on this post everything has been mans opinion.

They back up what they say by the Word?? Okay, since you see the above list as totally Word-based teaching, provide for me the places where the Bible says that:

1. God much have man's permission to work in this realm;

When you don't permit God, He won't work on your behalf. A Christian needs to yield.

2. Jesus became "born again" in Hell. Where does the Bible say Jesus was "born again?" Specifically?

I know of no such belief. Some aberrant Word of Life church people tout this, but I don't know any.

3. Jesus' death on the cross was not enough to save us.

No Christian believes that.

4. That it is okay to put curses on people that disagree with you.

No Christian believes that.

I would love for you to show me those 4 word of faith teachings from the Bible, chapter and verse.

If they are what you think are Word of Faith teachings then you are into a source that is breeding hype and lies. I know of a Word of Life church that did major damage to its congregation and was disbanded. They are out there, but they are aberrant, and not the norm. Reading the blogs and websites of the enemies of the work of the Holy Spirit, you will no doubt get the impression that Word of Faith beliefs are off the wall---truly, they are based on the Word of God.

[stacey c]

[1]Jesus teaches faith, Paul teaches faith, Maybe you are a little misinformed about Bible doctrines.

[2]The Greek says, We are humanly divine and divine'ly human.

[3] Maybe these men have a greater revelation then you do, [it appear's that they do]

So you agree that....

God is bound by the law of faith and this means He is obligated to obey the faith-filled commands and desires of believers?

and you agree that humans are "little gods"?

and you are saying that the Bible supports these two things?

Matt.7:7-8 "Ask and it shall be given unto you, seek and ye shall find, kncock and it shall be opened." v.8 " For everyone that asketh recieveth, and he that seeketh shall findeth, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

Matt.21:21-22 ""Verily I say unto you, if ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done." v22 "And all things, whatsoever ye shall askin prayer, believing, ye shall recieve."

John 16:24 "Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name; ask and ye shall recieve so that your joy may be full."

James 1:6-7 "but let him ask in faith, nothing wavering, for he that wavereth is like the wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed." v.7 "For let not that man think he shall recieve anything of the lord."

[Ovedya]

[1]Jesus teaches faith, Paul teaches faith, Maybe you are a little misinformed about Bible doctrines.

[2]The Greek says, We are humanly divine and divine'ly human.

[3] Maybe these men have a greater revelation then you do, [it appear's that they do]

So you agree that....

God is bound by the law of faith and this means He is obligated to obey the faith-filled commands and desires of believers?

and you agree that humans are "little gods"?

and you are saying that the Bible supports these two things?

Matt.7:7-8 "Ask and it shall be given unto you, seek and ye shall find, kncock and it shall be opened." v.8 " For everyone that asketh recieveth, and he that seeketh shall findeth, and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

Matt.21:21-22 ""Verily I say unto you, if ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, it shall be done." v22 "And all things, whatsoever ye shall askin prayer, believing, ye shall recieve."

John 16:24 "Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name; ask and ye shall recieve so that your joy may be full."

James 1:6-7 "but let him ask in faith, nothing wavering, for he that wavereth is like the wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed." v.7 "For let not that man think he shall recieve anything of the lord."

Which begs the question...If the Lord was speaking about literally telling a mountain to be removed, who in human history has ever done such?

[Ovedya]

"Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as, by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced (ridiculous as the expression may seem) more true than truth itself." - Irenaeus

[truthbringer]

One doctrine of the Word Faith variety that gets alot of attention is Positive Confession:

In his work The Tongue, a Creative Force (1976), Charles Capps, teaches that words, can under certain circumstances, become vehicles for creative or supernatural power. When these "faith-filled" spiritual words are spoken they alter the physical and spiritual world. Capps says, "You see there is more to it than just saying it. The words must originate from the inner man where spiritual power is released through words." Later..."The spirit of man is not of this world, it is of the spirit world. The creative ability of man comes through his spirit. He speaks spirit words that work in the world of the spirit. They will also dominate the physical world. He breathes spirit life into God's Word and it becomes a living substance, working for him as it worked for God in the beginning. These spirit words dominate the natural world" (p. 117-118).

This is because God, "by His faith" spoke this physical world into existence; the believer as little god exact replica can do the same thing. We can speak things into existance, good or bad. Being nervous about a job interview and saying "aw man i just know I'm going to not get this job" can cause you to not get it because you spoke your future into existance.

The main problem with this is that God doesn't NEED to have faith, his word is already effective (Hebrews 4:12 Phillipians 2:16). It is not necessary to activate it by speaking words of faith. It is by hearing the "living" word that one is brought to salvation through faith in Christ. (Romans 10:17)

This doctrine changes both the nature of God (making him subject to a believer's faith, making him subject to his own faith) and diefies the human, saying he can do the same thing. We need to remember that we are but dust, we need to remember the HE is Omnipotent. He is not subject to my will, He doesn't have to have faith in anything. HE does not exist to serve ME, I exist to serve HIM.

I'm not saying we should go around saying things which are detrimental to our own mental health and sabotage our future by saying these things over and over until we believe them and act like they are true. But making a doctrine out of mankind's ability to believe our own nonsense...is....nonsense.

The Greek word for "Confession" is, [Agreeing with God and saying the same as God].

You seem to disagree with the Bible. Jesus said you can have what you say, Do you think He is wrong as well.

Also The Bible says God cannot do anything without people having faith in Him, Jesus couldn't do any mighty works in His own town because of unbelief.

To say God isn't subject to your will, is disagreeing with the Bible, These WOF people give the Bible, People like You give

your own opinion.