Filled with the Holy Spirit

[Daymon]

God won't force a person to serve Him no matter what. He wants their free will and heart to serve Him. So, yes a person with the Holy Spirit still has a choice to continue on with God or to reject it. We have a free will.

HUH? LOL.....someone took a wrong turn

[nebula]

(BTW, in Hebrew the word for "Spirit" is ruach - the same word used for "breath. So, to be "filled with the Spirit of God" is to be "filled with the Breath of God." )

Something you may want to think about is that in Corinthians Paul wasn't talking about breath.

1 Corinthians 2:10 "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep thigs of God."

1 Corinthians 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit ofman which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God".

Clearly they aren't reffering to breath here, at least not in a literal sense.

What I said was that the two words were the same.

I am not denying the person of the Holy Spirit, if that is what you are thinking.

In Greek, the word for Spirit is Pneuma -

1. the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son

- sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)

- sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)

- never referred to as a depersonalised force

2. the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated

- the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides

- the soul

3. a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting

- a life giving spirit

- a human soul that has left the body

- a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel

- used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men

- the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ

4. the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one

the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.

5. a movement of air (a gentle blast)

- of the wind, hence the wind itself

- breath of nostrils or mouth

Source

In anatomy and physiology, words dealing with breathing are called pneum- (i.e. pneumonia).

My point was to point out word meaning and looking at perspectives from a different angle - like is seen in the original language.

But I was in no way claiming the Spirit to be the physical atmosphere.

[Guest shiloh357]

(BTW, in Hebrew the word for "Spirit" is ruach - the same word used for "breath. So, to be "filled with the Spirit of God" is to be "filled with the Breath of God." )

Something you may want to think about is that in Corinthians Paul wasn't talking about breath.

1 Corinthians 2:10 "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep thigs of God."

1 Corinthians 2:11 "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit ofman which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God".

Clearly they aren't reffering to breath here, at least not in a literal sense.

I don't think that Nebula meant it in the way you took it. Being filled with the spirit does not mean to be consumed by the thoughts of God, as you put it.

Being filled with the Spirit means to be controlled by the Spirit of God. When we are filled with the Spirit the actions and words that result are his, and not ours. It may feel spiritual to be enamoured with the things of God, but that is not what being "Spirit-filled" is about. It is about moving and acting as the Holy Spirit directs, which unfortunately for most of us, is easier said, than done.

[Daymon]

I don't think that Nebula meant it in the way you took it. Being filled with the spirit does not mean to be consumed by the thoughts of God, as you put it.

That is not "how I put it". Try reading those couple of chapters I mentioned....it might make more sense. I also didn't say anything was 100% this way or "that". You missed the anology, or I didn't explain it very well....one of the two. Let me try to explain what I'm saying in a different way.

Take a person who is filling his mind with sinnful things, whatever that may be. The more they ponder those things the more sinful they become, and the more sin they physically commit as a result of filling their minds with sin. The more they ponder, the more they commit, the more filled with sin they become.

Take the same person who decides to repent, and accept Jesus as Lord. Now instead of seeking out to commit those sins, they seek out whatever they can to learn more about God, whether it be from listening to christian music, participating in forums such as this, reading the studying the Bible, or fellowshiping with other christians.

The old way of doing things, is replaced with the new, and the old way of thinking is now replaced with the new. By being filled with Godly things, (christian activities) which are shown to us through Gods word, which is inspired by the Spirit of God, is that persons unclean spirits, and if this persons actions are now guided by the Holy Spirit, arent they filled with the Holy Spirit?

I've heard of people recieving the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands, but it makes more sense to me that one can recieve the Holy Spirit not only without the laying on of hands, but daily, through Gods word. When I read, (study is probably a better term) the Bible, how can I not be recieving the Holy Spirit, or the Spirit of God? If I fill my mind with something that was inspired by the Spirit of God, how can I or anyone not be recieving it? You're literally taking it in.

That make sense now?

[billie]

Well, Daymon, the confusion springs from this IMO, there's a difference between recieving the Holy Spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit. I've posted this before and I hope this doesn't cause a big rucus cause some people here don't believe in this. Here goes. We recieve the Holy Spirit when we're saved, when we ask Jesus to come into our hearts and cleanse us of our sin nature. We're then indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who comes and makes His home inside of us, as Scripture says. Baptism of the Holy Spirit sometimes also happens at this time, but not always. Some people(like me )have to specifically ask for this. If recieving is a picture of being filled, baptism is a picture of being anointed, like they used to anoint the high priest. The power of the Holy Spirit is poured out upon us for spiritual gifts like tongues, healing, bold witnessing, words of knowledge, etc. I recieved it by the laying on of hands but that's not necessary. My pastor's wife prayed all by herself and recieved it. Also I've been taught it's not necessary for salvation. All you need for that is to say yes to Jesus. Holy Spirit baptism just enables us to function more effectively in the Body.

[nebula]

...there's a difference between recieving the Holy Spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit. . . .

[Daymon]

"After reading I sat there for a minute and thought about it for awhile, which always helps me to let it "sink in". For the first few seconds I actually pulled a blank and totally forgot what I had read...."

((((yep....when the unclean spirit is gone outof a man....he walketh through dry and arid places.....seeking rest........and findeth none....))))

"This person will seek out these things, and their thoughts will be consumed with thoughts of those things, so that person is filled with sin.....or unclean spirits."

((( then he says...i will return to my home....and when he arrives...he finds it swept and garnished....then goes that man and taketh 7 other spirits ...more unclean than the first....and they enter in and dwell there....and the later state of that man is worse than the first. )))))

hapens to me every day lol....(i always speak from experience)

The prince of the power of the air...as he was so named by christ....the tempter even....sigh

the fleshly state genders "itching ears" and boredom.

But the mind of the spirit...genders...completeness..and purpose...with complete satisfaction and learning daily....

The "thing" you have shared here today ,is a gift from God....there are many who don't see it so plainly as you have.

Glad someone finally picked up on that I really didn't think I was starting a debate....just sharing.

[Daymon]

You mean "charasmaniac"?

That's a term I use to tease myself with!

It's a mixture of the terms "charasmatic" and "maniac" - I'm a maniac in worship - charasmatic style.

I appologize if you took that offensively. I'm only laughing at my pew-jumping self!

I would get that if you hadn't said it after I made the statement I didn't mean to start a debate. I posted what I did because I found it significant. I wasn't trying to argue a point. Only one person was "pickin up what I was layin down". Everyone else just wanted to tell me I was wrong and make "off comments". Maybe you guys like to debate, but I was "sharing an experience". Thought this was the kind of place to do that. Now, I won't even be able to discuss it because the entire thread is ruined. They may as well delete the entire thing. At any rate, I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot. I really am. This just didn't turn out to be what I had hoped for.

[nebula]

I apologize for coming across that way.

I did say I agreed in part.

[nebula]

BTW -

What I said about the word "Spirit" being the same as "Breath" was meant to compliment what you had said, not contradict.