Pope to debate evolution with former students

[Fiosh]

Fiosh

Show me where the Pope "epitomized corruption leading up to the Reformation."

Do a little study on the life and martyrdom of the Franciscan friar, Girolamo Savonarola (Florence). He courageously exposed the depravity and other papal abuses of the court of Pope Alexander VI. This corruption and debauchery went all the way up to the pope himself. You have Hilaire Belloc

[Pax]

Thank You Fiosh for doing the leg work for me. Horizon, I need to touch on one thing that you keep bringing up. This is also a hurdle for many people to understand. How can the Vicar of Christ be a sinner and on a few occassions be a really rotten person. Fiosh did a great job of pointing out that the devil is going to try and destroy the Church. He is going to attack the head of that Church relentlessly. Some Popes have given into temptation, most haven't. John Paul II was a good example of being a great Pope. However, the devil cannot and will not prevail over the Church established by Jesus Christ (Mathew 16:18-19). This is why the doctrines of the Catholic Church have not fundamentally changed for 2,000 years.

Another question you keep asking is why isn't the Catholic Church named in scripture? I would ask you why the word Trinity isn't used in scripture? Jesus Christ says that Peter will be the head of His Church (One Church). The early Church wasn't named until other groups that were teaching Heresy began. It became obvious that the one true Church had to be named to differentiate from other non-Christian groups to stop confusion. The most logical name Catholic (universal) Church. Gotta go Horizon.

Pax

[O'Dannyboy]

I give no credance to the RCC and accept no representative to God other than my lord Jesus. This is not to say that I do not recognise Gods' representatives on earth, only that I need no intercessor to or intermediary to Christ himself. The reformation would not even have happened had it not been for the abuses perpetrated by the leaders of the RCC. It still confounds me that the church leaders went to such great lengths to prevent the Bible being made available to the "common" man. Their own arrogance presumed that such teachings and thoughts were beyond the common mans comprehension. If I am correct, there were laws against the unauthorised reading of scripture, God forbid, and many people were charged with heracy (punishable by death) for challenging the edicts of the Pope, as in Martin Luthers case. One scipture comes to mind when I think of the machination know as the RCC.

John 21:15 So when they had eaten their breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter,

[Arthur Durnan]

The Unchanging Ever-changing Church of Rome with its fantasies & fallacies having ZIP part in the WorldWide One True Church of Jesus Christ composed of twice-born men & women as enunciated in John 3:1-16 -

ROMAN FANTASIES & FALLACIES UNLIMITED:

Veneration of angels & dead saints!

Worship of Mary, "Queen of Heaven"!

Doctrine of "purgatory"!

A Roman "papacy" - title of "pope," given by Emperor Phocas 610 A.D.!

Kissing a "pope's" foot!

Fasting on Fridays!

Roman priesthood celibacy - decreed by Hildebrand, Boniface VII, 1079 A.D.!

Rosary prayer beads ala Hindus & Mohammedans!

Sale of "indulgences" circa 1190 A.D.!

Roman dogma of "transubstantiation" - "pope" Innocent, 1215 A.D.!

Adoration of a wafer!

The Roman scapular!

Tradition of equal authority with the Holy Bible - Council of Trent;

The Baptism of bells!

"Canonization" of dead saints!

"Immaculate Conception" of Mary - 1854 A.D., Pius IX!

"Papal infallibility" - Pius IX, 1870 A.D.!

"Vicar of Christ" yet!

"Magisterium"!

Speaking "ex cathedra"!

"Cardinals" are birds, are they not?

Mary as "mother of God" - Pius XI, 1931 A.D.!

"Assumption" of Mary - Pius XII, 1950!

On into the "Vatican" Darkness and its oral helium release ad nauseum.

What might be its next invention? They say it never changes; yet it has done nothing else BUT CHANGE, inventing new tenets wholly contrary to God's Holy Word, The Bible, and has practiced rites & ceremonies taken from rank paganism. Cardinal Newman, I understand, admits that "....temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests & monks & nuns), images....are all of pagan origin." (As Newman calls it on Page 359, "The Development of The Christian Religion.") One scholar states that 75% of the Roman church's rites & ceremonies are of pagan origin! It makes one truly wonder what they grow in the various potting plants around "St. Peter's" in Rome, Italy. The Roman church with its manifold fantasies & fallacies should go far. The sooner it does, the better off we'll be.

Quick to Galatians 1:8, then Revelation 18:4. John 3:7 isn't bad either. More timely words were never spoken. Thank You, Paul, John and the Lord Jesus Christ! AMEN!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Pax]

Art I wish I had the time to respond to all your statements above. O'dannyboy I will respond to your post. This is a common misunderstanding that the Catholic Church didn't allow people to read the Bible. I am Catholic and have been in several Bible study groups. At no time did a priest say, hey don't read the Bible. You also should do a goggle search of a man named Scott Hahn. He is a very famous Bible scholar that was a protestant minister. He use to bash the Catholic church but the more he study scripture the more he realized that the Catholic Church was the fullness of the truth. He has sinced converted and goes around the world speaking on this. His most famous book would be "Rome Sweet Home." Horizon, I am still somewhat amazed that you attend a Mega-Church. I didn't figure you for a Mega-Church Christian?? I also will respond to your last post in time. Later all

[Old Timer]

Art I wish I had the time to respond to all your statements above. O'dannyboy I will respond to your post. This is a common misunderstanding that the Catholic Church didn't allow people to read the Bible. I am Catholic and have been in several Bible study groups. At no time did a priest say, hey don't read the Bible. You also should do a goggle search of a man named Scott Hahn. He is a very famous Bible scholar that was a protestant minister. He use to bash the Catholic church but the more he study scripture the more he realized that the Catholic Church was the fullness of the truth. He has sinced converted and goes around the world speaking on this. His most famous book would be "Rome Sweet Home." Horizon, I am still somewhat amazed that you attend a Mega-Church. I didn't figure you for a Mega-Church Christian?? I also will respond to your last post in time. Later all

No one is saying the the RCC does not allow its followers to read the Bible. They just aren't allowed to think about it or to deviate from the official church position on any position. This is from Wikipedia:

Magisterium (from the Latin magister, "teacher") is a technical ecclesiastical term in Catholicism referring to the teaching ability and authority of the Pope and those Bishops who are in union with him. According to Catholic doctrine, the Magisterium is able to teach or interpret the truths of the Faith, and it does so infallibly within the Sacred Magisterium.

"The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd ed. [1997], pt. 1, sect. 1, ch. 2, art. 2, III [#100]).

The list that Arthur gave may need some further explanation or refining but it is certainly a laundry list of heresies of the RCC.

To claim that this one or that one switched to Catholicism and that

[Pax]

Art I wish I had the time to respond to all your statements above. O'dannyboy I will respond to your post. This is a common misunderstanding that the Catholic Church didn't allow people to read the Bible. I am Catholic and have been in several Bible study groups. At no time did a priest say, hey don't read the Bible. You also should do a goggle search of a man named Scott Hahn. He is a very famous Bible scholar that was a protestant minister. He use to bash the Catholic church but the more he study scripture the more he realized that the Catholic Church was the fullness of the truth. He has sinced converted and goes around the world speaking on this. His most famous book would be "Rome Sweet Home." Horizon, I am still somewhat amazed that you attend a Mega-Church. I didn't figure you for a Mega-Church Christian?? I also will respond to your last post in time. Later all

No one is saying the the RCC does not allow its followers to read the Bible. They just aren't allowed to think about it or to deviate from the official church position on any position. This is from Wikipedia:

Magisterium (from the Latin magister, "teacher") is a technical ecclesiastical term in Catholicism referring to the teaching ability and authority of the Pope and those Bishops who are in union with him. According to Catholic doctrine, the Magisterium is able to teach or interpret the truths of the Faith, and it does so infallibly within the Sacred Magisterium.

"The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd ed. [1997], pt. 1, sect. 1, ch. 2, art. 2, III [#100]).

The list that Arthur gave may need some further explanation or refining but it is certainly a laundry list of heresies of the RCC.

To claim that this one or that one switched to Catholicism and that

[O'Dannyboy]

Art I wish I had the time to respond to all your statements above. O'dannyboy I will respond to your post. This is a common misunderstanding that the Catholic Church didn't allow people to read the Bible. I am Catholic and have been in several Bible study groups. At no time did a priest say, hey don't read the Bible. You also should do a goggle search of a man named Scott Hahn. He is a very famous Bible scholar that was a protestant minister. He use to bash the Catholic church but the more he study scripture the more he realized that the Catholic Church was the fullness of the truth. He has sinced converted and goes around the world speaking on this. His most famous book would be "Rome Sweet Home." Horizon, I am still somewhat amazed that you attend a Mega-Church. I didn't figure you for a Mega-Church Christian?? I also will respond to your last post in time. Later all

Pax. I never said that the RCC prohibits the reading of the Bible, I said it did. "If I am correct, there were laws against the unauthorised reading of scripture, God forbid, and many people were charged with heracy (punishable by death) for challenging the edicts of the Pope, as in Martin Luthers case." The fact that you have attended many bible studies, while commendable, has no bearing on whether or not the RCC prohibited the reading of the bible. You have already admitted that you believe the clergy/papacy to be the sole authority on scripture. That being the case, the clergy determined that scripture was not up to private interpretation and labeled anyone who disagreed with their interpretation as heritics (an offense punishable by death). To hear that a one time protestant minister converted to cathocism is interesting but means little to me. If I do not "follow" the clergy I cannot see how you would think a catholic convert would be able to sway me. No offense but, as I see it, Catholcism and Christianity are not the same thing and praying to anyone other than God in any name other than Jesus is not Christian.

[Pax]

Art I wish I had the time to respond to all your statements above. O'dannyboy I will respond to your post. This is a common misunderstanding that the Catholic Church didn't allow people to read the Bible. I am Catholic and have been in several Bible study groups. At no time did a priest say, hey don't read the Bible. You also should do a goggle search of a man named Scott Hahn. He is a very famous Bible scholar that was a protestant minister. He use to bash the Catholic church but the more he study scripture the more he realized that the Catholic Church was the fullness of the truth. He has sinced converted and goes around the world speaking on this. His most famous book would be "Rome Sweet Home." Horizon, I am still somewhat amazed that you attend a Mega-Church. I didn't figure you for a Mega-Church Christian?? I also will respond to your last post in time. Later all

Pax. I never said that the RCC prohibits the reading of the Bible, I said it did. "If I am correct, there were laws against the unauthorised reading of scripture, God forbid, and many people were charged with heracy (punishable by death) for challenging the edicts of the Pope, as in Martin Luthers case." The fact that you have attended many bible studies, while commendable, has no bearing on whether or not the RCC prohibited the reading of the bible. You have already admitted that you believe the clergy/papacy to be the sole authority on scripture. That being the case, the clergy determined that scripture was not up to private interpretation and labeled anyone who disagreed with their interpretation as heritics (an offense punishable by death). To hear that a one time protestant minister converted to cathocism is interesting but means little to me. If I do not "follow" the clergy I cannot see how you would think a catholic convert would be able to sway me. No offense but, as I see it, Catholcism and Christianity are not the same thing and praying to anyone other than God in any name other than Jesus is not Christian.

Danny,

The Catholic Church is Christian, we believe in the same thing that you do, like the Trinity, Jesus Christ is our personal savior and died on the cross to saves us from our sins. We are saved by faith which is shown through our works. Your idea of Catholics worshipping Mary or others Saints is misguided. We don't do this, but won't get into now. Common complaint from Non-Catholics. Horizon I will deal with you tonight, however Monday Night Football is on.

[Fiosh]

Whatever happened to everybody playing pretty?

Aww, it's ok Lady G, we don't expect "playing pretty" from horizon. He's one of those that "does not play well with others".

Love ya, h!

*as he waves his hands in the air*

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya

Oh Lord, kumbaya

*Fiosh, Lady G, Pax, and the rest, join hands in a circle; they dance around horizoneast, who stands in the middle, and all sing at the top of their lungs...."kumbaya....!!!" *