Non believers hear me out

[cjrose]

((((((((((eve))))))))))))) you're the bomb!! But you can't see our loving compassionate God as we do cuz you aren't looking at Him as we do. He is a compassionate loving God who disciplines His children just as any parent would do.

Still adore you, girlfrien'

Hey, cj! Nice to hear from you

Well, I know why you're saying what you're saying, but my view remains the same: in order to see God as you do - as loving and compassionate - I would essentially have to put faith, not in something reasonable that my experience or reason might back up, but in the idea that even though God's promises, ideals and history with regard to man seem to be full of contracdictions, flaws and unkindness, the practical effect is really the opposite. Which, as I can't see evidence of that either, makes no sense to me at all.

Good to hear from you too!! Okay, I know you're like a rock and not going to change your mind. But just a few of my thoughts; God has no flaws, is the most reasonable God when it comes to His children, He keeps His promises, His history is backed up in many areas of scripture and there are no contradictions. Everything has a purpose, a plan, there are no accidents or coincidences and what you may think of as His unkindness, I think of as discipline but along with that, the promise of forgiveness through the blood of His Son. I am redeemed and saved from an eternity of torment.

I know you are reading this and respectfully contemplating. And I know that these words have not and will not change your mind. As a child of God, we see Him in one way, as a loving, generous, forgiving and oh so much more of a God, where as you who are non believers, athiests have an entirely different perspective of life. I'm just trying to explain that to have faith, you have to believe in something you cannot see. If you need hard proof, evidence, the real meat of it is deep down inside of you. That's where proof is. Essentially in Faith.

[Guest gracefilled62]

God wanted us to love Him by choice. When there is choice there has to be sin.

dave

[cjrose]

And what if someone has faith in something else, CJ? Perhaps they have faith that if they are incredibly good in life, they will become a Buddha? Perhaps they have faith in Krishna. Faith is faith is faith, and does not change the universal truth that is out there. Faith is blind, and cannot be a true mechanism for truth-seekers.

Now, I don't know for sure what that truth is, but all I have seen in my lifetime has led me to believe that there is no reason to believe anything exists more than this earth and universe.

I guess if God wanted me to become a budda He would have led me there just to turn me back around again I've always been rebellious, stubborn, obstinant and disobedient. I've also had a lot of tragedies in my life but I found the truth in the light of Jesus. I had a truly physical emotional transformation by His Spirit that gives me faith to follow and believe without seeing.

And believe me I have checked out Scientology, Werner Erhardt, anything that would fill the missing link but never felt right about those "groups" When I tried to get out of both, they wouldn't leave me alone. My boyfriend at the time literally came in to a EST meeting and picked me up and carried me out. It took a while to get them out of my life. My truth as is the truth of many believers is the Word of God.

You say you don't know for sure what the truth is, why not give God a chance? And you are still young, you've got a lot more living to do. More to experience and one day, all of this that we have revealed here just might make sense.

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Maybe you just aren't ready but you have eluded to things that tell me you are searching for something even though you may not know it. For me, my life, God was always there to steer me away from the cults and the lifestyle that I was leading that was so destructive because I didn't care what happened to me. Funny thing is, I didn't think I was searching for God until one evening BAM!! The transformation took shape in a divinely Spiritual form, I could not deny it was the truth. But only you can make the choice, only you know what's in your heart besides our Creator. Now, I am not saying I am perfect now, nor that I do not sin because I do and sometimes it is conciously and as a child I will be rebellious at times when worldly emotions seem to overwhelm me. But in my prayers, my meditation, it brings me peace, cleansing, and like the Japanese guy who is sitting 2 feet off the floor until Mr. Clean comes along and distracts him. That's the best analogy I could think of lol, but it brings me closer to Him, to my roots, and to where I am going. So there's my two cents, hope you enjoyed

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

There are quite a few failed prophecies including the most important one where Jesus said that some standing here would not taste death before his return.

Are you quite sure that they are indeed dead?

Peace,

Dave