Atheism

[Guest man]

God's existence is proven over and over again to me! When I look around me all I see is His hand. He is a creative God and a careful orchestrator of matter!

I have a relationship with the Living God...that is proof for me also!

He is alive and we interact together! That is prrof for me!

He speaks to me through His Word, and He has spoken to me audibly! That is proof for me!

He has healed me when I ask Him. That is proof for me!

He has kept all His promises to me. That is proof for me!

Proof to you and no one else.

Beg your pardon but it is also my proof! AMEN sis.

What we know as proof is internal as well as documented eyewitness accounts of miracles performed by Jesus. We have changed lives for the better, we know peace and joy that only comes from God, He speaks to me as well, He whispers divinely to me, He has taught me valuable lessons, He has healed me, He has kept His promises. If it is proof to more than one person, and I would say, many Christians on this board would say the same... what more proof do you need?

You guys should really try thinking outside the box.

When I said " proof to you and no one else" , I wasn't denying the existance of God.

I believe and I know He exists, but my belief isn't proof to anyone else but myself. I can't prove to anyone that God is real and neither can you. If there was proof that He existed, outside of our faith, there would be no atheists.

What makes God real to us is our faith. Nonbelievers don't have that faith. They don't see God the way we do. To them the bible is just another book.

Talking about all the things God has done for us means nothing to an atheist because in their mind He doesn't exist.

So I say again...no one can prove God exists and no one can prove He doesn't. It is only through faith that one is able to acknowledge His existance.

[cjrose]

God's existence is proven over and over again to me! When I look around me all I see is His hand. He is a creative God and a careful orchestrator of matter!

I have a relationship with the Living God...that is proof for me also!

He is alive and we interact together! That is prrof for me!

He speaks to me through His Word, and He has spoken to me audibly! That is proof for me!

He has healed me when I ask Him. That is proof for me!

He has kept all His promises to me. That is proof for me!

Proof to you and no one else.

Beg your pardon but it is also my proof! AMEN sis.

What we know as proof is internal as well as documented eyewitness accounts of miracles performed by Jesus. We have changed lives for the better, we know peace and joy that only comes from God, He speaks to me as well, He whispers divinely to me, He has taught me valuable lessons, He has healed me, He has kept His promises. If it is proof to more than one person, and I would say, many Christians on this board would say the same... what more proof do you need?

You guys should really try thinking outside the box.

When I said " proof to you and no one else" , I wasn't denying the existance of God.

I believe and I know He exists, but my belief isn't proof to anyone else but myself. I can't prove to anyone that God is real and neither can you. If there was proof that He existed, outside of our faith, there would be no atheists.

What makes God real to us is our faith. Nonbelievers don't have that faith. They don't see God the way we do. To them the bible is just another book.

Talking about all the things God has done for us means nothing to an atheist because in their mind He doesn't exist.

So I say again...no one can prove God exists and no one can prove He doesn't. It is only through faith that one is able to acknowledge His existance.

You are very complex man. Let me make it simple. THEY are the ones that need to start thinking out of the box or their own little material world and seek what is beyond. Why do the bees polinate the flowers? Why do catapillars turn in to butterflies? Why are there things that cannot be explained? Why do we have the bible and why are there words in there, "just a book" that phrophsied the coming of our Savior?

We have already looked outside the box which is why our faith is our proof. Gather together a multitude of believers and God does exist! They are too comfortable in their lives to look anywhere but their own lives to notice what's going on in this world today and how many signs have already been fortold in "a book" called the Bible. Of course they don't see God they way we do. They don't see God at all because they aren't LOOKING or LISTENING!

I wonder if there wasn't one person on flight 93 who didn't pray to God that had never prayed before. Is that what it takes to get athiests to believe? Sometimes yes.

[aftwine]

Trying to prove something does not exist is essentially impossible.

For instance, I could say that there is a teapot orbiting the sun. How would we disprove that?

No matter how long we would search with telescopes, there could always be places the teapot would be.

Since your God is invisible and inaudible, cannot be observed, etc, it would be just a tad harder to disprove it, don't you think?

What would evidence of nonexistance consist of? What could possibly show you that your God does not exist?

The difference between proving whether or not your teapot and my Father in Heaven exist is that, your teapot does not reveal prophecy, it does not forgive you of your transgressions by sacrificing itself in a man's body, it does not answer your requests, it does not love you unconditionally (even if you deny it), it does not provide you unlimited oppurtunities to accept it, it's sweet redemption it does not let you taste and finally while many say to you "your teapot is a myth" it does not continually reveal itself through all these avenues and moreso in the hearts of those who are indwelled with it's "tealy spirit", which you might tell us we can never know till we willfully submit are hearts.

Edited September 20, 2006 by aftwine

[aftwine]

what you missed is the last thing I said:

we can never know till we willfully submit are hearts

Prophecy can be found in any book on the planet, if you look hard enough. You just have to interpret it "correctly".

Example? (also Biblical prophecy is pretty plain to understand, different interpretations only are needed for those which have not occured or with those that people think are revealed in Revaltions/Daniel/Oliviet Discourse that occured before 70AD~the point is they still happened in their eyes, (rapture, second coming, anitchrist)

Here and now, I request God, if he exists, to reveal himself to me. All I've seen are people that claim to know the truth, but cannot back it up.[

Did you ever possibly think this was His answer?

I disagree. I don't think the Teapot will ever reject you knowing that it exists.[

Really do people who say this teapot revealed itself to them come to you with there testimonies of it's glory and redemption. Doubt it.

I understand what you mean about saying something may love me but it may not exist, so my mom doesn't really exist.

I hope I don't sound harsh but dude I was just like you no less than four years ago, it'll take time but you'll see. Regardless of churches, christians, heretics and whackos Christ is still very real.

[cjrose]

You might want to use another analogy as I believe there is a constalation of stars in the shape of a teapot Maybe it's the big dipper or the teapot might be found in the Milky Way.

Sorry Sam but a teapot?

I think it's even more awesome that Christians come to be saved eveyday throughout the world by "believing" in something they can't see which is called FAITH, We walk by faith, not by sight, or proof or theory, but the truth that athiests and non believers alike are even unwilling to accept and tap their finger to the temple with a Hmmmmm, they might be on to something here. I have at least tried over and over to see things as an athiestic way, why not open your heart and put away yyour theories, scientific proof, attitudes and get down to the bare essentials of life.

It just occured to me that athiests continue to remain on a level that even though may come across as profund, it is not a level of where true peace and joy are found but where the empty shell lives.

I'm not an empty shell, CJ. I'm also very open-minded. Sorry if I can't blindly accept everything everyone else says about the nature of the universe, but that is not goint to change.

You want me to believe in God. Fine. How would I know that he exists? I'm not believing ANYTHING without some sort of substantiation. Sorry, but I'm not gullible.

Sam, we are all empty shells until we come home to our Father. It is then that He fills us with the Holy Spirit. Being gullible has nothing to do with making a choice. Just because you can't touch Him or see Him, you refuse to believe that there just might be a God that created us? We call it Faith. And we do walk blindly with our eyes wide open and can see further than what is beyond this temporary exisitence. He is my substance. To compare a teapot to an omnipotent God is an example of how empty you really are though you may be an intellectual and have love and compassion, and be a good person but none of that matters in the end. Unless you have God in your life, you will be the blind one, not I. And I mean this in the sincerest loving manner and all joking aside, your eternal salvation is what is most important.

There are planets beyond what we can see but we know they are there. Because you can't see them, do you believe they don't exist? Or is this going to turn in to a scientific conversation. If so, then I have used a bad example.

[jscoleman]

An atheist is really a liar, they do believe, but they are angry at God and are are trying to provoke Him into revealing Himself in a way the Athiest know He will not do. Since God has already proven Himself, He has no need to go further. When the time comes they to will call Him Lord,

[Philip Mc Carney]

Evolution

Various dictionaries define the word evolution in different ways, mostly having to do with Darwinian thinking. However, the word evolution existed long before Darwin gave us the benefits of his wisdom.

Before and since Darwin, the word meant (and means)

[Guest gracefilled62]

No one will dispute that we are subject to natural law. THat to me is what evolution is. It does not explain why we are here. You can be an athiest and say it is just pure random chance that we exist. This leaves one feeling rather hollow. Evolution doesnt really explain self-awareness neither. God, who is outside of nature explains both. All science can do is explain natural things, it cannot prove or disprove God. Many may feel evolution implies we are here by pure chance, that there is no omnipotent being behind the question of why we are here. But again, God is outside the picture, having created all of it. If one watches "What the bleep do we know" you see that the more scientists learn about how we choose our reality, the more perplexed they become. All of this does point to evidence of intelligent design, but that isn't science. God gave us a mind to discover many things about nature, and a heart that we may love and know him.

[Arialia]

An atheist is really a liar, they do believe, but they are angry at God and are are trying to provoke Him into revealing Himself in a way the Athiest know He will not do. Since God has already proven Himself, He has no need to go further. When the time comes they to will call Him Lord,

Um, atheists really do not believe, as hard it is for you to grasp.

It may not make sense to you in your current life situation for other people to not believe in what you take for granted. But it happens, and just because you cannot aghree with us doesn't invalidate our lack of beliefs/beliefs.

[Arialia]

No one will dispute that we are subject to natural law. THat to me is what evolution is. It does not explain why we are here. You can be an athiest and say it is just pure random chance that we exist. This leaves one feeling rather hollow.

Evolution and religion can very well coexit peacefully. But fundamentalism and evolutionsim cannot.

Evolution doesnt really explain self-awareness neither. God, who is outside of nature explains both. All science can do is explain natural things, it cannot prove or disprove God. Many may feel evolution implies we are here by pure chance, that there is no omnipotent being behind the question of why we are here. But again, God is outside the picture, having created all of it.

Sure, evolution doesn't explain self-awareness. But evolution is the theory about how present-day organisms came to be, not a philosophic view. It has nothing to do with how beings came into creation, or why, or any of that stuff.

If one watches "What the bleep do we know" you see that the more scientists learn about how we choose our reality, the more perplexed they become. All of this does point to evidence of intelligent design, but that isn't science. God gave us a mind to discover many things about nature, and a heart that we may love and know him.

I would not recommend "What the bleep do we know?" because it is new age propaganda. XD