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[Guest man]

Khalou,

I would like to apologise for the way you have been spoken to, there is no excuse for it. Those who had very little understanding treated the Lord in the same way.

You are of course right about miracles and the birth of a child can be called a number of things but miracle is not one of them.

I wish you every blessing in your walk, I think I experienced something similar and for a long period of time walked in places that I knew were the wrong places, but was powerless to make the changes I so wanted in my life.

Blessings my friend, Huw.

And to you people who are being rude on this board, be rude to me and leave other peopel alone.

If this is directed toward me...you need not apologize on my behalf...what I spoke is the truth.

As for having very little understanding...you have no idea who I am.

Khalou confessed his disbelief in God...and you blessed him for it.

I have nothing against those who do not believe...but I believe in calling a spade a spade. I'm not going to water it down. To do so would be a lie.

[khalou]

Khalou,

I would like to apologise for the way you have been spoken to, there is no excuse for it. Those who had very little understanding treated the Lord in the same way.

You are of course right about miracles and the birth of a child can be called a number of things but miracle is not one of them.

I wish you every blessing in your walk, I think I experienced something similar and for a long period of time walked in places that I knew were the wrong places, but was powerless to make the changes I so wanted in my life.

Blessings my friend, Huw.

And to you people who are being rude on this board, be rude to me and leave other peopel alone.

thanks. It does hurt (and I don't know why) to be told that I was never a Christian by someone who thinks they are. Of course, that's all I need to hear to tell me that they couldn't be because Christians aren't supposed to do that.

Now, with that being said, I don't really mean it- it is simply an example of making a silly statement about someone else's faith.

Thanks again.

k

[khalou]

But, yes, I was a Christian for over forty years and lived by the Bible and had Jesus by my side all that time.

k

You say you believed once...what caused you to walk away from that belief?

I personally believe you walked in doubt for over forty years. What a waste. You were a christian in name only. If you truly believed, you wouldn't be saying the things you do.

What was it that the devil told you that was so convincing?

First of all, that is a hurtful statement. What do you mean I walked in doubt? How could you say such a thing? Are you trying to sound ignorant? You have absolutely nothing to go on, yet you make such a statement. What are you thinking?

k

On Oct. 2 at 8:56 pm you stated you lost your faith.

Same day at 10:28 pm you stated that you are an atheist.

Oct. 3 at 7:24 pm you stated that you see no evidence for the existence of God.

Those three statements make it very clear that you doubted.

If you didn't, you would not have lost your faith.

If you didn't, you would not be an atheist.

If you didn't, you would not question the existence of God.

These statements may be hurtful, but if you deny the Faith, they are the truth.

Do you really think that a person could do something like that? You are either fifteen years old, or are very lacking in imagination.

k

[Floatingaxe]

khalou--

If someone comes to know God intimately through His son, Jesus Christ, and walks with Him for years, then he just would not abandon God. Something is missing in one's commitment to Him, and consequently one's experience of growing in God, if one could so totally turn aside from Him.

You can't KNOW God intimately and walk away. First of all, you could never have really known Him, and second of all, He would never let you get too far away without bringing you back.

This is said not in cruelty, but in order for you to take a check of your past faith. Did you really have a moment of repentance in time and space where you laid all your sins down before the Living God, before the Cross? There is such a thing as false repentance, and false conversions, and then there is true repentance that comes from godly sorrow.

2 Corinthians 7:10

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

[Guest man]

But, yes, I was a Christian for over forty years and lived by the Bible and had Jesus by my side all that time.

k

You say you believed once...what caused you to walk away from that belief?

I personally believe you walked in doubt for over forty years. What a waste. You were a christian in name only. If you truly believed, you wouldn't be saying the things you do.

What was it that the devil told you that was so convincing?

First of all, that is a hurtful statement. What do you mean I walked in doubt? How could you say such a thing? Are you trying to sound ignorant? You have absolutely nothing to go on, yet you make such a statement. What are you thinking?

k

On Oct. 2 at 8:56 pm you stated you lost your faith.

Same day at 10:28 pm you stated that you are an atheist.

Oct. 3 at 7:24 pm you stated that you see no evidence for the existence of God.

Those three statements make it very clear that you doubted.

If you didn't, you would not have lost your faith.

If you didn't, you would not be an atheist.

If you didn't, you would not question the existence of God.

These statements may be hurtful, but if you deny the Faith, they are the truth.

Do you really think that a person could do something like that? You are either fifteen years old, or are very lacking in imagination.

k

How can you even ask that? Your very own words convict you.

You call yourself an atheist and deny the existence of God.

If you had any faith whatsoever, you would know that God exists. You say He doesn't, therefore you had no faith.

It's really not that hard to figure out.

[khalou]

khalou--

If someone comes to know God intimately through His son, Jesus Christ, and walks with Him for years, then he just would not abandon God. Something is missing in one's commitment to Him, and consequently one's experience of growing in God, if one could so totally turn aside from Him.

You can't KNOW God intimately and walk away. First of all, you could never have really known Him, and second of all, He would never let you get too far away without bringing you back.

Well, you are wrong about that. I think you're going to have to get used to that.

This is said not in cruelty, but in order for you to take a check of your past faith. Did you really have a moment of repentance in time and space where you laid all your sins down before the Living God, before the Cross? There is such a thing as false repentance, and false conversions, and then there is true repentance that comes from godly sorrow.

2 Corinthians 7:10

Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

Your whole premise is based on your belief that no one who is ever really in a profound relationship with the God that broke their heart and became the rock that made possible a fire of faith that led to an immersion of self to God for many, many years can possibly fall away. You'll need to change your mind on that. Of course, there is another option. You can simply keep on believing as you do, and ignore history and the facts of the matter. I suppose that would save you from worry about losing your own faith someday. You don't want to even think about the latter, so you stick to the former.

I don't have anything against the second option if that's what you want to do because I'm not here to convert anyone. But if you want to say that I never "really" was a Christian who devoted his whole being to God, don't waste your breath. I was there and you weren't.

k

[khalou]

But, yes, I was a Christian for over forty years and lived by the Bible and had Jesus by my side all that time.

k

You say you believed once...what caused you to walk away from that belief?

I personally believe you walked in doubt for over forty years. What a waste. You were a christian in name only. If you truly believed, you wouldn't be saying the things you do.

What was it that the devil told you that was so convincing?

First of all, that is a hurtful statement. What do you mean I walked in doubt? How could you say such a thing? Are you trying to sound ignorant? You have absolutely nothing to go on, yet you make such a statement. What are you thinking?

k

On Oct. 2 at 8:56 pm you stated you lost your faith.

Same day at 10:28 pm you stated that you are an atheist.

Oct. 3 at 7:24 pm you stated that you see no evidence for the existence of God.

Those three statements make it very clear that you doubted.

If you didn't, you would not have lost your faith.

If you didn't, you would not be an atheist.

If you didn't, you would not question the existence of God.

These statements may be hurtful, but if you deny the Faith, they are the truth.

Do you really think that a person could do something like that? You are either fifteen years old, or are very lacking in imagination.

k

How can you even ask that? Your very own words convict you.

You call yourself an atheist and deny the existence of God.

If you had any faith whatsoever, you would know that God exists. You say He doesn't, therefore you had no faith.

It's really not that hard to figure out.

????

That doesn't make any sense at all to me.

So you never believed in Santa Claus?

Or do you still?

k

[khalou]

Khalou,

I would like to apologise for the way you have been spoken to, there is no excuse for it. Those who had very little understanding treated the Lord in the same way.

You are of course right about miracles and the birth of a child can be called a number of things but miracle is not one of them.

I wish you every blessing in your walk, I think I experienced something similar and for a long period of time walked in places that I knew were the wrong places, but was powerless to make the changes I so wanted in my life.

Blessings my friend, Huw.

And to you people who are being rude on this board, be rude to me and leave other peopel alone.

If this is directed toward me...you need not apologize on my behalf...what I spoke is the truth.

As for having very little understanding...you have no idea who I am.

Khalou confessed his disbelief in God...and you blessed him for it.

I have nothing against those who do not believe...but I believe in calling a spade a spade. I'm not going to water it down. To do so would be a lie.

What you spoke was erroneous. You were wrong. You were not only wrong, but you were wrong based on some idea you have about faith that obviously isn't true.

Look at it from another Christian's perspective. Maybe another Christian would like to find out what happened to me. Maybe they don't pretend to know the mind of God and are more interested in saving my soul than accusing me of being a liar. "Love them where they are" comes to mind. "Judge not etc, etc..." comes to mind.

Yet there you are telling me that even if I DID decide to try it again, I could never be certain whether I was fooling myself or not. Is there any value to that? Is your purpose here to tell atheists that they are evil? or is it to win souls to Christ by the same means that Christ won souls?

Do you love me or not?

k

[khalou]

If someone comes to know God intimately through His son, Jesus Christ, and walks with Him for years, then he just would not abandon God.

That is your premise based on your interpretation.

It is wrong.

What do you do now?

k

[Guest man]

????

That doesn't make any sense at all to me.

So you never believed in Santa Claus?

Or do you still?

k

I can honestly say that I cannot remember a time when I believed in Santa.

So what's your point?