Ecumenical Harlotry

[Smalcald]

There is no such thing as the Babylonian captivity of the Church for 1300 years. If there were you should throw away your New Testament as it came from the Babylonian Captivity.

[jackie d]

graymousey said:

The Ecumenical movement is the devil's doing, but it will sort people out.

[Guest Theophilia]

I have sat with Miroslav Volf's Exclusion and Embrace for over two weeks now...reading, thinking and doing the required reflective writing.

From the first time I saw this discussion, which appeared about the same time I began my reading, I wondered if there isn't a dicussion of the narrative of inclusion and its shadow exlcusion and also something to be said about otherness that situates itself in a culture (Christianity) that is about eradicating boundaries.

I think that inclusion itself practiced in a healthy manner necessitates boundaries that keep the oppressor at bay...is that to say that all liberal ideologies are oppressive?

Sincerely

Sara

[Arthur Durnan]

You can have all the Miroslav Volfs you desire. God's settled & Holy Word of Truth involving the One Who stated, "I Am the Truth" (John 14:6) captures the Gold Medal. Ecumenism - or "everybody's probably right!" is satanic to the core. If the Lord Jesus Christ said what He said in John 14:6 as wholly definitive, then we waste our precious time chasing another. AMEN!

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[Guest Theophilia]

Have you read the book? He is very much an evangelical. At this seminary, we would not be reading it otherwise. I think you completely misread my post...I am advocating for helathy boundaries in the midst of welcoming all the body of Christ...do you ahve a problem with that?

[Guest Theophilia]

I really take offense at the last post...because I think that we are on the same page...but you 1. misread my post and 2. were very hateful towards me.

In actuality, we are engaging in an ecumenical debate. I think we all are engaged in ecumenism of some sort...as we believe that we do not work out a private salvation, with private self-images, reweaving webs of belief ( to borrow from Volf) but we are in community...a part of one another...working out a communal salvation...each in vital relationship with God.

There is sense in Christ's acts on the cross and in resurrection that each of us can only be as good as the whole...I am who I am because I am distinct from you and also because I am in relationship with you.

What do you do with Acts 2:42-47...these people lived in community...were they each working out their salvation, individually wrestling with truth...were they working out their salvation corporately, on both accounts, YES.

[EricH]

Just a comment about the title of this thread. If you want to have people freely discuss their views on this, it would probably be better to leave the term "Harlotry" out of the title. Basically people who believe in any type of unity are afraid to state their views, because the implication from the outset is all who do support "Harlotry"

[LadyRaven]

"Father, I pray that they may all be one." (Jesus)

But of whom is He speaking? The Elect, of course: the true believers!

And you don't think there are true believers in denominations other than yours?

[Smalcald]

"Father, I pray that they may all be one." (Jesus)

But of whom is He speaking? The Elect, of course: the true believers!

And you don't think there are true believers in denominations other than yours?

We get together in my garage every Friday and we are the elect, we are certain. We put a big sign on the door, no unelected allowed, no girls either.

[Arthur Durnan]

I read you, but why the No Girls bit? JUst asking. Ecumenism refers to EVERYBODY in the world together, does it not? Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Unitarians, "New-Agers" including Winfrey, Maclaine, Kerry - KERRY!! - how'd HE get in there? Deliver us from him! The Way of the Cross of Christ is a lonesome road, a narrow road & a difficult one. "Narrow is the way and FEW there be that find it." And again, "Jesus said I am THE Way," - not one of MANY, MANY ways! Sounds the precise opposite of ecumenism, does it not? To ask is to answer.

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