Have you received the Holy Spirit?

[asap]

Whew!!. I have just read every post in this thread, so I won't add my 2 cents, only to say that agree with Ovedjah, EricH and Ayin Jade and not because they are mods or watchmen, but because I can't fault their findings and they are not lead around by the nose by some ear-tickling charismatic teaching.

Please don't be offended, but do I little serious research. Anyone who claims that you are not truly saved and have not the holy spirit because you don't speak in tongues, is from lala land and anyone who claims to be annointed is from the same land.

Wow! that will put the cat among the pigeons.

I got up out of the wrong side of bed this morning.

Good Morning eric,

Sorry about your mood.

I had to go back and read to refresh my memory but I believe I was the only one in this thread that used the word annointed when refering to a pastor that I had the blessing to learn from for a short time. He never claimed to be annointed, he is actually a very humble servant, continuously giving his time in the community(ie. cutting firewood, praying for the sick, helping the widows in the area with home repairs),trusts the Lord for his provision, preachs at the Res., a mens recovery center and at a non-denominational church. I claimed that he was annointed.

Please add your 2 cents, I may not be young in years, lost in the world for 41 years before Christ, but I am young in Christ. I amuse that you are not. I came to this site for others views on the christian walk. What distresses me is the way people hit and run here. It reminds me of the saying that christians eat their own young.

Blanket generalized statements about others being wrong without actually addressing what you percieve as how they are wrong just baffles me.

That is the reason I am grateful that the Lord released me from the 1st church I was a member of for 3 years, the fact that it was an attack when you were considered wrong, but no actual basis for the correction. "Just the facts m'am"

Proverbs 27:17 (KJV)

17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Do you think it would be acceptable to use this proverb as on example?

With Sisterly Love,

Amanda

[Ovedya]

God's will is that His people be in health and prosper, just as our soul prospers.

I agree with that.

Jesus was beaten to redeem us from sickness.

I totally disagree with that. Every portion of Jesus' suffering was for redemption.

God's will is healing, the problem is Christians doubt His will and His power.

I also disagree. However, Christians do doubt God's will and power. But the problem is not being willing to conform to His will - regardless of what the situation is - in sickness or in health.

Sickness is of the Enemy. Sickness is not from God. Sickness can not be from God.

This is false. There are no Scriptures to support this at all. Sickness and death are both results of the fall, which is man's fault, not Satan's.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of it you shall not eat; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." (Gen2:17)

Nevertheless, God will use sickness according to His will:

"Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exo. 4:21)

"After all this, the Lord afflicted Jehoram with an incurable disease .." (2 Chron. 21:18)

"And as He passed by, He saw man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind? Jesus answered, Neither has this man sinned nor his parents, but he was born so, that the works of God might be manifested in him." (John 9:1-3)

There are many more examples, including the fact that God used leprosy on a few occasions as punishment for rebellion.

[firehill]

Boy, did I make my exit quickly before he could work his magic!

clear error on that leaders part.

Amein!

The above was actually written by me, under a name I will no longer use.

I have a question: What would you expect, had this guy "work[ed] his magic"? I have no clue!!

The 'tounge movement' reached a hight in popularity at the time and so I wasn't sure but I wasn't going to find out. I do believe besides mumbo jumbo, fakery,,, that demonic forces play a big part in that movement. I do believe in the biblical gifts of tounges though...

[Iryssa]

There is a true gift of tongues for those whom the Spirit choose to give it. There is also a 'counterfeit gift' of tongues, devilish Jiberish which does anything but praise God. I would be careful and not focus on the gifts, but on Christ. He will give what is needed when it is needed.

The bible says to "eagerly desire".

1 Corinthians 12:30-31Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.

What I don't understand is this: if speaking in tongues is of the H Spirit, why does anyone need to discipline them, because in doing so, one is disciplining the H Spirit! Also, if the person speaking iin tongues needs discipline regarding tongues, it seems to me that this automatically means that the tongues are not of the H Spirit but of human origin. If they are of human origin, they are not of G-d. That is pretty frightening!

The Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 went into a lot of detail concerning the gifts, their exercise, their use, and the need to be disciplined with them. What he wrote are the Lord's commandments in this area.

1 Corinthians 14:37-40

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Let all things be done decently and in order.

Please notice the "forbid not to speak with tongues" part. Yet many of our brethren absolutely do forbid, sadly.

Yup...it needs to be done in an orderly fashion. This is so that the gift will be used for edification, as it should be when used in the congregation. No one gets edified but the person doing it if there's nothing but babble all over the place. For the people around the ones doing it, it only becomes a distraction. However, if it's done in an orderly manner, with only a few ppeople speaking at a time and a translator present, then everyone can be edified. (see 1 Cor. 14:2-28 for Paul's teaching on this)

[Iryssa]

Also, if the person speaking iin tongues needs discipline regarding tongues, it seems to me that this automatically means that the tongues are not of the H Spirit but of human origin. If they are of human origin, they are not of G-d. That is pretty frightening!

*nods* I'm sure you're right...when I see a congregation with like fifty people speaking in tongues at once (and I HAVE seen that), I very much doubt that it is all from God.

[Floatingaxe]

Also, if the person speaking iin tongues needs discipline regarding tongues, it seems to me that this automatically means that the tongues are not of the H Spirit but of human origin. If they are of human origin, they are not of G-d. That is pretty frightening!

*nods* I'm sure you're right...when I see a congregation with like fifty people speaking in tongues at once (and I HAVE seen that), I very much doubt that it is all from God.

That's not right. Sometimes the Holy Spirit, when present in great fullness, will come upon our people in prayer and we will all erupt in tongues. It is like music, and we are all blessed, blessing the heart of God. It is orderly, as we stop when appropriate and don't lose focus on Him.

God loves to bless us in this way..He loves open hearts and minds and voices willing to speak to Him mysteries!

[Iryssa]

Also, if the person speaking iin tongues needs discipline regarding tongues, it seems to me that this automatically means that the tongues are not of the H Spirit but of human origin. If they are of human origin, they are not of G-d. That is pretty frightening!

*nods* I'm sure you're right...when I see a congregation with like fifty people speaking in tongues at once (and I HAVE seen that), I very much doubt that it is all from God.

That's not right. Sometimes the Holy Spirit, when present in great fullness, will come upon our people in prayer and we will all erupt in tongues. It is like music, and we are all blessed, blessing the heart of God. It is orderly, as we stop when appropriate and don't lose focus on Him.

God loves to bless us in this way..He loves open hearts and minds and voices willing to speak to Him mysteries!

See, I just can't find Biblical support for that, though...

[Floatingaxe]

Also, if the person speaking iin tongues needs discipline regarding tongues, it seems to me that this automatically means that the tongues are not of the H Spirit but of human origin. If they are of human origin, they are not of G-d. That is pretty frightening!

*nods* I'm sure you're right...when I see a congregation with like fifty people speaking in tongues at once (and I HAVE seen that), I very much doubt that it is all from God.

That's not right. Sometimes the Holy Spirit, when present in great fullness, will come upon our people in prayer and we will all erupt in tongues. It is like music, and we are all blessed, blessing the heart of God. It is orderly, as we stop when appropriate and don't lose focus on Him.

God loves to bless us in this way..He loves open hearts and minds and voices willing to speak to Him mysteries!

See, I just can't find Biblical support for that, though...

What about the Upper Room? Sometimes it is an outflow of worship, and corporate prayer, and ministry of God moving over the whole group, pouring His presence onto us all at once.

[Iryssa]

Are you talking about in Acts 4? Because those were the tongues of men, not tongues of angels, requiring no translation

Edit: Whoops...I mean Acts 2

[Floatingaxe]

Are you talking about in Acts 4? Because those were the tongues of men, not tongues of angels, requiring no translation

Edit: Whoops...I mean Acts 2

Prayer in tongues requires no translation either. It is worship. It is prayer--vertical. It is a gift of grace to be used at any time. The gift the upper room people received was the ministry gift...sometimes it is in an earthly language, speaking to those who need to hear from God--horizontal.

The point is, that the Holy Spirit is not limited because there are a few hundred of His own in one place.