Christ's children

[firehill]

Did Jesus say He and the Father were one?

Did Jesus say He was equal to the Father?

Yes He did.

In so many words, yes He did.

Is God Christ or Christ God?

Is God the Father or the Father God and the Son and the Holy Spirit?

[Giaour]

3 distinct and seperate but all one and equal.

[firehill]

3 distinct and seperate but all one and equal.

I agree. But still yet, since God is not Christ because he was fully human and divine and God is not human and since the Bible says that Christ is the head of the church (aka God' children) therefore I ask who is THE head of God's children, aka the church, God's church?

If you are on the same page with Butero who claims that all three, God the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the heads of God's children then please read the responses I've made to him and discusse those.

[Giaour]

If Butero wants to continue this discussion in futility then go for it.

But, I see no purpose in it.

You asked a question and I answered it.

You didnt like my answer, oh well.

Why ask a question that you already have your mind made up on?

Nevermind, dont answer that.

[firehill]

If Butero wants to continue this discussion in futility then go for it.

But, I see no purpose in it.

You asked a question and I answered it.

You didnt like my answer, oh well.

Why ask a question that you already have your mind made up on?

Nevermind, dont answer that.

You haven't even read this thread all the way through so why are you contending at this point?

I accept that there will be hostility towards the Bridegroom's purpose... and He is not even married yet to the church (God's children) His Bride. Go figure...

[firehill]

Firehill, I think I see where your confusion lies, so I will break your post down and respond that way. First of all is my original quote:

Butero:It means authority. It is possible to have more than one person in authority over another. Let me give you an example. I work for a trucking company. I have many heads over me. There is my dispatcher. He is my immediate head. He has people over him, and they are also over me. In the spiritual sense, God is my head, whether it be God the Father who is on his throne in glory, his Son Jesus who is on his right hand, or the Holy Ghost who is in the world as our teacher and guide. As such, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are our head in authority.

FIREHILL's RESPONSE:

What you are saying is that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are the heads of God

[sheya joie]

Ephesians 5:23,24 For the husband is the head (kaphale) of the wife, even as Christ is the head (kaphale) of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

The word kaphale means a head literal or figurative. We know it cannot mean literal, or else, Christ's head would rest on our bodies. It means head in the figurative sense. The word head itself has differen't definitions, so we need to find the correct one for the context. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, one of the definitions of head is a leader, chief, the formost position: the head of the line. That would be the correct meaning of kaphale in this context. We know that because in verse 24, right after mentioning that the husband is the kaphale of the wife, even as Christ is the kaphale of the church, we are told that as the church is subject unto Christ, so let wives be to their own husbands in everything. The word subject is from the word hupotas and it means to obey. That would make it obvious the Bible is speaking to the issue of authority. That is why, before the feminist movement came along, one of the marriage vows the woman made was to love, honor, and obey her husband. It was based on teachings from the Bible.

Next we come to the man and his responsiblity to his head (kaphale). 1 Corinthians 11:3 says "But I would have you know, that the head (kaphale) of every man is Christ; and the head (kaphale) of the woman is the man; and the head (kaphale) of Christ is God."

Just as the wife is to obey her husband, the man is to obey Christ, because Jesus is his head (kaphale: head in the figurative sense meaning leader, chief). How does a man obey Christ? He learns the Bible and follows it. John 1:1 "IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus speaks to us through his written word. A man is just as responsbile to obey Christ as a woman is to obey her husband.

The point is, that in these verses, the word kaphale means a head in the figurative sense. In it's proper context, it means in authority over. As a man, when I read that Christ is my head, I know without any doubt it means he is in authority over me. No matter how hard I may try to find a way to make the scriptures say differen't, it won't work, and I would be only fooling myself. It is the same thing with the woman. Though she try her best to find a way to show that her husband is not in a position of authority over her, she is only deceiving herself when she makes that claim.

When I got married to my late husband, I told the pastor to be sure he included the word "obey" in my part of the vows.

[firehill]

Ephesians 5:23,24 For the husband is the head (kaphale) of the wife, even as Christ is the head (kaphale) of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

The word kaphale means a head literal or figurative. We know it cannot mean literal, or else, Christ's head would rest on our bodies. It means head in the figurative sense. The word head itself has differen't definitions, so we need to find the correct one for the context. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, one of the definitions of head is a leader, chief, the formost position: the head of the line. That would be the correct meaning of kaphale in this context. We know that because in verse 24, right after mentioning that the husband is the kaphale of the wife, even as Christ is the kaphale of the church, we are told that as the church is subject unto Christ, so let wives be to their own husbands in everything. The word subject is from the word hupotas and it means to obey. That would make it obvious the Bible is speaking to the issue of authority. That is why, before the feminist movement came along, one of the marriage vows the woman made was to love, honor, and obey her husband. It was based on teachings from the Bible.

Next we come to the man and his responsiblity to his head (kaphale). 1 Corinthians 11:3 says "But I would have you know, that the head (kaphale) of every man is Christ; and the head (kaphale) of the woman is the man; and the head (kaphale) of Christ is God."

Just as the wife is to obey her husband, the man is to obey Christ, because Jesus is his head (kaphale: head in the figurative sense meaning leader, chief). How does a man obey Christ? He learns the Bible and follows it. John 1:1 "IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus speaks to us through his written word. A man is just as responsbile to obey Christ as a woman is to obey her husband.

The point is, that in these verses, the word kaphale means a head in the figurative sense. In it's proper context, it means in authority over. As a man, when I read that Christ is my head, I know without any doubt it means he is in authority over me. No matter how hard I may try to find a way to make the scriptures say differen't, it won't work, and I would be only fooling myself. It is the same thing with the woman. Though she try her best to find a way to show that her husband is not in a position of authority over her, she is only deceiving herself when she makes that claim.

When I got married to my late husband, I told the pastor to be sure he included the word "obey" in my part of the vows.

Your road is short to follow... you've less work to do... God be with you. One day whether or not it is with CHRIST, you'll know that you're are not a child who must obey your husband. OBEY GOD.

[firehill]

DO YOU FORGET WHO THE BRIDEGROOMS IS! HIS NAME IS JESUS!!! YOU ARE CONFUSED.

There is only one bridegroom, you disagree ????

[Guest lnj]

well Jesus is God. so i'd say God is the head of God's children

Thanks for the discussion.

So because Jesus is God therefore,