Luther and Calvin

[Guest begotten]

Did you know that before Calvin became a Calvinist, he was Lutheran? Calvin fell under the writings of the New Testament translation by Eramus and the writings of Luther.

Luther and Calvin contradicted themselves because they claimed to use the Bible only, then went on to write Creeds in ADDITION to the bible.

None of the 5 points of Tulip, are taught in the Bible. The "sinners prayer" is NOT in the Bible and won't save you. It is a false doctrine that developed from Calvinism and was first practiced less than 50 years ago.

I don't believe in unconditional eternal security, and do not follow the teachings of Luther or Calvin. That being said, I am trying to figure out where you are going with this? The sinner's prayer won't save you, that much is true. The sinner's prayer is merely a way of leading someone to repent of their sins, and accept Jesus as their savior. God is the one that does the saving as a result of their faith. Calvanism in it's original form teaches that there is no need to pray any prayer because God either created you to be saved or lost before we were born. What most Baptist Churches today teach is a watered down version of Calvanism whereby they must do a work (pray the sinner's prayer), and as a result of that work, they are saved forever. To me, this doctrine makes no sense. It is much easier to accept the original doctrine of Calvin or reject it entirely, than to believe what the traditional Baptists teach today.

[Hawkins]

Luther and Calvin are good theologists, they are not prophets and can't represent God. There works are great but never comparable to the Word of God.

Moreover, knowing the future is part of God's omniscience. It is humans' own limited minds which failed to figure out what pre-destination is. Calvin just made such an attempt which can hardly be 100% correct.

Edited April 15, 2010 by Hawkins

[EricH]

Did you know that before Calvin became a Calvinist, he was Lutheran? Calvin fell under the writings of the New Testament translation by Eramus and the writings of Luther.

Luther and Calvin contradicted themselves because they claimed to use the Bible only, then went on to write Creeds in ADDITION to the bible.

None of the 5 points of Tulip, are taught in the Bible. The "sinners prayer" is NOT in the Bible and won't save you. It is a false doctrine that developed from Calvinism and was first practiced less than 50 years ago.

Luther and Calvin would not have even recognized those dstinctions

[Smalcald]

Luther never wrote any creeds.

Eric is right they would not even know what this was about as there were no such things as "Lutheran's or Calvanists" then.

Luther was a Catholic, all Christians prior to Luther were Catholics, so if you want to look at who was influenced by what you better look at what Luther was trying to do and it was not start a new Church or group of people called Lutherans. Luther never left the Catholic Church, he was excommunicated, they left him.