Why did Man give the Creator the name

[Snowdoove]

So, Snowdoove -

I take it you are actually trying to make a point with your original question, correct?  This point being we should stop calling God "God" but rather start calling Him by YHWH?

Is this correct?

nebula~

The answer to your question is Yes!

However, I can't tell you to do anything you don't want to do.

By calling the Creator, Yahweh, people may think - before choosing to use His name in vain.

People tend to show no respect to the word G-D.

They may show respect in church yet on the outside things are very different.

Snowdoove :il: :t:

[nebula]

Actually, I find it an intruiging proposition. So many people say they believe in "God," but it is obvious to me that what they refer to as "God" is not who I refer to. Making the distinction, I thus believe, is a great idea!

I guess I was just thrown off by the way you went about this; it seemed a bit odd and confusing.

OK, though, now that we've gotten this straightened out, I am curious as to what other people have to say on the matter.

Should we stop refering to our God by His title "God" and instead call HIm by the name Yahweh?

[His son]

That is not true. The english is not an "inspired" translation. All the english versions were made by men using the established rules of translation. ALL the versions including the KJV. Some are better than others but all are fallible as they are the work of men. No translation is perfect.

Everyone of these words are the words of men and they will never be found in The Bible.

This is calling God a liar. He wrote that all Scripture is inspired of The Holy spirit, He wrote that He is no respecter of persons, He wrote that no Scripture is of any private interpretation, He wrote that not one item of His Scripture is to be added to or taken away from. He wrote that we are to meditate in His Scriptures day, and night. He wrote that we are not to lean to our own understanding. He wrote that The Holy Spirit will teach us His Truth not men. He wrote that He esteems His engrafted word Higher than Himself.

Believe the lie that God the creator of all languages can't communicate to me in English if you want to but if I were you I sure wouldn't be preaching it to anyone else. You will be held responsible for any confussion you might instill in anyones mind concerning The Master Communicators ability to give them such life saving words in their own language.

[Snowdoove]

That is not true. The english is not an "inspired" translation. All the english versions were made by men using the established rules of translation. ALL the versions including the KJV. Some are better than others but all are fallible as they are the work of men. No translation is perfect.

Everyone of these words are the words of men and they will never be found in The Bible.

This is calling God a liar. He wrote that all Scripture is inspired of The Holy spirit, He wrote that He is no respecter of persons, He wrote that no Scripture is of any private interpretation, He  wrote that not one item of His Scripture is to be added to or taken away from. He wrote that we are to meditate in His Scriptures day, and night. He wrote that we are not to lean to our own understanding. He wrote that The Holy Spirit will teach us His Truth not men. He wrote that He esteems His engrafted word Higher than Himself.

Believe the lie that God the creator of all languages can't communicate to me in English if you want to but if I were you I sure wouldn't be preaching it to anyone else. You will be held responsible for any confussion you might instill in anyones mind concerning The Master Communicators ability to give them such life saving words in their own language.

Greetings~

In regards to your last statement, I disagree with you. :t:

Here in Grand Rapids Michigan many Christian Radio DJ's are NOW using the name YHVH, and Yeshua.

Plus many web sites are referring to him in this manner too.

These are all Christian organizations.

Besides, we all know there are different names and titles for the Creator.

A Second Reformation is taking place these days.

I believe it will be better for all.

Snowdoove :il: :il:

[His son]

Are you then not calling God a liar? He is the one who wrote that He is no respecter of persons, and that He inspired all Scripture. If it were required for the English, Germans, French, Irish, or any other language group to study the Jewish or Greek then God would be a respecter of the Jews, and Greeks. If this were necessary would He have not told us that we must study those particular Scriptures? He tells us to meditate in His Scriptures which would be those He inspired. He created all languages, and I find it pretty hard to accept the fact that the one who created my language could not communicate directly to me in that language. There are no established rules of translation in The Bible, and that means that we don't need them. God has told us who is to interpret His Truth to us, and it is definitely not men. He sent us The Holy spirit, and He told us that men will not longer teach each other. Your stand on this issue says that God did not mean any of these things.

Gods Son,

Respectfully, brother, your post makes no sense. And you do not understand what the Bible means when it says that "God is no respecter of persons." That verse such as Acts 10:33,34 means that in the Church age God accepts all to salvation. Salvation is no longer just for the Jews. You do not have to convert to Judaism and be circumcised and follow the Mosiaic Law. That verse has nothing to do with how the original Scriptures were written.

So if God inspired an English translation, which one did he inspire? Does this inspired translation correct the Greek and Hebrew texts?

- Steve

Makes sense to me, and after rereading I feel that if it doesn't make any sense to you it is because you are reacting rather than responding with some thought. God has never qualified any of His word for any one group or individual, and or special set of circumstances but tells us all Scripture is profitable for our perfection. When God says He is no respecter of persons this means for any reason. And that fact is well documented in all the events in the lives of the people written of in His Scriptures.

This same issue applies to interpretations. He only needs one in each language, so that would be the first in each language that contains all the books, and verses. Seperatist doctrine will not work with any of The Doctrines of God. There is one fold one Shepherd, and all His words mean the same to all His sheep, and He speaks to them in a way that they understand. He has never needed an iterpreter. If He had He would have had no trouble letting us know that. He did tell us very emphatically that He didn't need one when He said NO SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. He has given us His own private interpreter named The Holy Spirit, and that's the only one that I need. If He's not good enough for you that will have to be settled between you and God.

[His son]

In regards to your last statement, I disagree with you.

Snowdoove,

what statement are you talking about. my last statement wasn't about God's name.

In response to people calling YHVH or Yeshua, I see nothing wrong with that and to me when I see those names they mean God, and Jesus. I can tell you that when I came to the end of the road I called out God help me, and He was right there.

[nebula]

His son -

I'm feeling a bit confused, too.

He created all languages

Yes, initially. Languages, however, have changed over time. Case in point: we don't speak in "King James English" anymore.

And of course, English is a mixture of languages to begin with.

This same issue applies to interpretations. He only needs one in each language, so that would be the first in each language that contains all the books, and verses.

Dost thou mean, then, that we should verily use only the King James version and discard the NIV, NASB, New King James, and all others?

Were not some of these other translations developed with the changes in the language and with discoveries of more ancient texts (i.e. Dead Sea Scrolls) then what was used for the KJV?

[His son]

His son -

I'm feeling a bit confused, too.

He created all languages

Yes, initially. Languages, however, have changed over time. Case in point: we don't speak in "King James English" anymore.

And of course, English is a mixture of languages to begin with.

This same issue applies to interpretations. He only needs one in each language, so that would be the first in each language that contains all the books, and verses.

Dost thou mean, then, that we should verily use only the King James version and discard the NIV, NASB, New King James, and all others?

Were not some of these other translations developed with the changes in the language and with discoveries of more ancient texts (i.e. Dead Sea Scrolls) then what was used for the KJV?

I use the 1611 KJV, and read it as easily as any English, and I was a 9th grade drop out. That was the earliest English version I could find with all the chapters and verses. It took me a couple of weeks to really be able to read it fluently but The Holy Spirit got me there. He's The only one sent by God to lead and guide us into His Truths in The Engrafted Word. I have a library of all those other translations that will do nothing but gather dust since I started trusting God and stopped leaning to my own understanding. This has sufficed me through ministry at YWAM, Teen Challenge, a Pastorate, and a Chaplaincy. It has never let me down nor will it ever because God Wrote It.

God created all things, and He has no trouble at all communicating with me in English. I wasted way too many years in the pursuit of God using worldly wisdom and knowledge, before I found out that all I need is my Bible, The Holy Spirit, The Love Of God, in my heart, and listening with all my might to His instructions, and them of course obeying them to a T.

[The Journey]

Gods Son,

Do you really have a 1611 KJV?

REALLY?

It is hard to find a copy of that version today because no one reads the 1611.

You probably mean the 1869 which is the 1611 revised some 400 times.

The 1611 is almost impossible to read. It contains the Apocrypha and The Book of Prayers.

Is the KJV a translation from the Greek?

Steve

PS Gods Son, please just answer the question plainly. And questioning my spirituality is inappropriate. Lets just keep our responses to the questions and issues at hand.

[The Journey]

Gods Son,

Here is Romans 10:9 from the 1611. Compare it with your 1869.

"That if thou shalt confesse with

thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt

beleeue in thing heart, that God hath

raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued."

So now which English version is the real KJV? The first? Revision 20? ????

Steve