How can one Lose Everlasting Salvation?

[Arthur Durnan]

Uh-huh, I get it now....one can be saved, re-lost, re-saved, re-lost, re-saved. re-lost until, I guess, the cows come back home. One can be born again, and then again, and then again, on into the nite until one doesn't really know (or care perhaps?) WHAT one truly is. All verrry interesting to say the least. So might there be EVEN ONE SMALL EXAMPLE of someone in the Holy Bible who was saved, then re-lost, then re-saved EXPLICITLY SO STATED? That dog can't hunt, friendlies! It's as colorful, I believe, as a box of crayolas.

1 John 5:13, of course, is what we all really should spend a moment with!

Thank you, Jesus, for Your gift of everlasting life thru the blood of Your cross!

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[His son]

Uh-huh, I get it now....one can be saved, re-lost, re-saved, re-lost, re-saved. re-lost until, I guess, the cows come back home.  One can be born again, and then again, and then again, on into the nite until one doesn't really know (or care perhaps?) WHAT one truly is. All verrry interesting to say the least. So might there be EVEN ONE SMALL EXAMPLE of someone in the Holy Bible who was saved, then re-lost, then re-saved EXPLICITLY SO STATED?  That dog can't hunt, friendlies!  It's as colorful, I believe, as a box of crayolas.

1 John 5:13, of course, is what we all really should spend a moment with!

Thank you, Jesus, for Your gift of everlasting life thru the blood of Your cross!

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

Read the old testament. God delivered Israel many times until He came to the point that He told them I will deliver you not more. Christ told Peter to forgive his brother up to seventy times seven times. God has made it very clear in His Engrafted word, and it is written out that one can be saved, and on the pilgrimage, and turn back, and it's all based on each individuals freewill choices. That's The Bible Doctrine on The issue and no one will ever be able to change that.

[Guest shiloh357]

Read the old testament. God delivered Israel many times until He came to the point that He told them I will deliver you not more.

What are your references in particular?

Christ told Peter to forgive his brother up to seventy times seven times.

This was a way of saying that we are to NEVER withhold forgiveness. Please do not employ a hyper-literal interpretation. Jesus was not saying ONLY 490 times. It is a simple euphemism.

That's The Bible Doctrine on The issue and no one will ever be able to change that.

No its not.

[His son]

Read the old testament. God delivered Israel many times until He came to the point that He told them I will deliver you not more.

What are your references in particular?

Christ told Peter to forgive his brother up to seventy times seven times.

This was a way of saying that we are to NEVER withhold forgiveness. Please do not employ a hyper-literal interpretation. Jesus was not saying ONLY 490 times. It is a simple euphemism.

That's The Bible Doctrine on The issue and no one will ever be able to change that.

No its not.

Like I said read The Bible, I'm not going to read it for you. All the prophets talk about it. No one will ever change the fact that one can be saved and walk away from God by their own freewill choice. Not even you. As to the number of times that is up to God, and Him only and would most likely be different for each individual.

[Guest shiloh357]

Like I said read The Bible, I'm not going to read it for you. All the prophets talk about it. No one will ever change the fact that one can be saved and walk away from God by their own freewill choice. Not even you.

In other words, you got nothing. You are the one attempting subvert the Word of God and change the gift of salvation in to a performance based, yoke of slavery. You can have your works, I'll take Jesus instead, and we'll see who makes it to the throne.

[His son]

Sure hope you make it!!!

[Arthur Durnan]

I certainly WILL! I HAVE passed (Present tense) from death unto life". AMEN!

None of that absolute CONFUSION of saved, re-lost, re-saved, re-lost, etc. for me, Thank You, Jesus! BTW, WHERE IS YOUR ONE LITTLE EXAMPLE ANYWHERE IN HOLY WRIT OF SOMEONE BEING SAVED, RE-LOSTR, RE-SAVED, RE-LOST on into the nite? I wait with baited breath!

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[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

BTW, WHERE IS YOUR ONE LITTLE EXAMPLE ANYWHERE IN HOLY WRIT OF SOMEONE BEING SAVED, RE-LOSTR, RE-SAVED, RE-LOST on into the nite? I wait with baited breath!

Well, the same could be said about OSAS. Show in the Bible a clear and unambiguous passage stating that once someone is saved, they are forever saved. I mean, clear passages that CLEARLY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY stated "Once Saved Always Saved", not passages taken out of context or where OSAS must be read INTO the passage. No, show a clear cut passage that states without any doubt that once you're saved, you're forever saved. 1 John 5:13 is a promise to those who BELIEVE and continue believing so that passage doesn't prove OSAS.

So, where is a passage that says "Once saved, always saved"? Guess you won't be the only one waiting with baited breath, huh? :x:

As far as examples of those who were alive then dead then alive again, look no further than the Prodigal son, where the father states that "this son of mine was DEAD, and is ALIVE AGAIN" (Luke 15:24, 32), proving that the son was alive when he was with the father but when he left, he died. To be with the Father is to be alive; to depart from him is death. James 5:19-20 states "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; (20) Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." That was written to believers for believers, not unbelievers for an unbeliever doesn't have the truth to "err" from it. I could point to Peter who denied the Lord and from the Lord's own mouth, ANYONE who denies Him, the Father WILL deny THAT person. Peter denied the Lord THREE times with swearing yet the Lord restored him when he repented.

And even if these examples don't sway you, who are you to limit God's mercy and grace? Who are you to say that such a thing cannot happen, just because you can't see some example in Scripture that meets YOUR "high" standards? Heaven REJOICES when a lost person repents and returns to the Lord, regardless of whether they were unbelievers from the beginning or if they backslid and became lost again. God desires that all men be saved and He will not turn away a backslider who returns to him, broken and repentant, because His love for them is that GREAT! To quote a passage most often quoted by OSAS, John 6:37, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.". If a person who forfeited salvation stopped sinning and sought to return to the Lord, according to this passage, Jesus will NOT cast them out! Thank God for His mercy and His love!

[Guest Shilo]

I have never believed in the OSAS theory because it is not true...how can a person be always saved? There are things in this life that lead you astray from the truth and yet you think that you are saved....what happens when you die when you are living in that sin? You die in your sin...There are christians who are liars, do you think that they will go to heaven? what does the bible say about liars....

Revelation Chapter 21:8 talks about what will happen to liars

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So you think that being a christian and lying is going to get you to heaven? Think again my friend and study the bible to find out that the theory of OSAS is a lie.

[ginakay]

the heat is pretty intense in this thread room..

If you are really saved I don't think it is going to be that easy to lose it because if you are really really in love with the Lord you will never want a divorce from Him. But that is not to say it is impossible.

At this time and in this life we are saved by faith. By faith we are just as saved now as we will ever be in eternity. However since it is currently BY FAITH, then if we lose our faith or walk away from it then we lose. Because faith is the substance of things hoped for. Once we are in eternity then it is no longer faith but fact.