How can one Lose Everlasting Salvation?

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

His Son,

Good questions but I doubt you'll get any BIBLICAL answers from the License to Sin, OSAS doctrine.

[Guest Calamity]

His Son,

Good questions but I doubt you'll get any BIBLICAL answers from the License to Sin, OSAS doctrine.

Nice attitude. :il:

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

It is impossible according to Holy Writ to be saved TWICE. Our friends conveniently overlook this fact. If you can be lost after you are saved and can never be saved again, this would mean, of course, that the very moment the Christian sins after he has been converted, he could never be saved again and he'd be absolutely hopeless. That would be no Gospel at all.

Perhaps it is overlooked because it is NOT a fact. I repeat:

As far as examples of those who were alive then dead then alive again, look no further than the Prodigal son, where the father states that "this son of mine was DEAD, and is ALIVE AGAIN" (Luke 15:24, 32), proving that the son was alive when he was with the father but when he left, he died. To be with the Father is to be alive; to depart from him is death. James 5:19-20 states "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; (20) Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." That was written to believers for believers, not unbelievers for an unbeliever doesn't have the truth to "err" from it. I could point to Peter who denied the Lord and from the Lord's own mouth, ANYONE who denies Him, the Father WILL deny THAT person. Peter denied the Lord THREE times with swearing yet the Lord restored him when he repented.

And even if these examples don't sway you, who are you to limit God's mercy and grace? Who are you to say that such a thing cannot happen, just because you can't see some example in Scripture that meets YOUR "high" standards? Heaven REJOICES when a lost person repents and returns to the Lord, regardless of whether they were unbelievers from the beginning or if they backslid and became lost again. God desires that all men be saved and He will not turn away a backslider who returns to him, broken and repentant, because His love for them is that GREAT! To quote a passage most often quoted by OSAS, John 6:37, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.". If a person who forfeited salvation stopped sinning and sought to return to the Lord, according to this passage, Jesus will NOT cast them out! Thank God for His mercy and His love!

For anyone else who seems to take Hebrews 6 and run with that faulty interpretation that OSAS or anyone else uses, please refer to this most excellent article:

Hebrews 6:4-6

[Guest Calamity]

One thing that non-OSAS'ers seem to overlook, is that OSAS'ers do not believe in the "License to sin" phrase that keeps getting repeated. I don't know anyone who believes that.

Have a great day!

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

His Son,

Good questions but I doubt you'll get any BIBLICAL answers from the License to Sin, OSAS doctrine.

Nice attitude. :il:

Thanks. And your hypocrisy is duly noted as I didn't see you give such a cutesy remark to other folks who share my ... uh ... "attitude".

[Guest shiloh357]

Gen 2:16-17

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

(KJV)

OSAS explain to us how Adam, and Eve were not saved.

Since Adam Eve became sinful after only one sin, I guess you would also use this to show that only one sin is enough to cause us to lose salvation.

Adam and Eve were created sinless, they were not "saved" since they had not yet comitted sin to be saved from before they ate of the fruit.

Exod 19:4-6

4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

5 Now therefore, IF YE WILL OBEY MY VOICE INDEED, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

(KJV)

OSAS explain to us why they should have to obey His voice, and keep His covent after all He just finished saving them to Himself.

Because they were to be a "light unto the world." The Jewish people were originally called to reveal God to the world. They were to demonstrate His charcter and operations to the heathen. At NO TIME did God say that they would cease to be HIs people when they fell away. Actually God says that they will never cease to be His nation. Read Jeremiah 31:35,36. God has preserved them inspite of their sin.

I will respond to the rest of this post when I get home from work.

[Guest Calamity]

His Son,

Good questions but I doubt you'll get any BIBLICAL answers from the License to Sin, OSAS doctrine.

Nice attitude. :il:

Thanks. And your hypocrisy is duly noted as I didn't see you give such a cutesy remark to other folks who share my ... uh ... "attitude".

Hypocrisy? I didn't mean it to come off that way. I have replied to others on this topic, before, and there have been attitudes from both sides. I just noticed yours right away when I clicked on the last page of posts here. I try to post in a civil manner, and not throw innuendos at others when they don't believe exactly the same as I do in certain areas, and not accuse them of not believing God's Word, or of not being Christians.

It's been stated many times by those who believe in OSAS, that we do NOT believe in a license to sin, and that phrase just keeps on coming up from the 'other' side, as if that is how we believe, and it is not true.

By the way, welcome.

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

One thing that non-OSAS'ers seem to overlook, is that OSAS'ers do not believe in the "License to sin" phrase that keeps getting repeated. I don't know anyone who believes that.

Have a great day!

We are not "overlooking" anything. The reasons we "non-OSAS"ers believe that OSAS is a License to Sin is because OSAS teaches it. My opposition isn't against those who believe the doctrine, rather the doctrine itself and it does teach a license to sin, regardless of what its adherents claim to the contrary.

For example, when OSAS claims that "nothing we can do can cause us to lose our salvation", despite several passages of Scripture ... no! ... the WHOLE BODY of Scripture that teaches otherwise, then what exactly am I to conclude? When statements are made that "bad deeds only cause us to lose rewards" (with so-called "bad deeds" being "sin", just make it plain!), even though Scripture CLEARLY says otherwise, then we have no choice but to state that it is a license to sin "gospel". Now the OSAS proponents can deny until the cows come home that they don't believe this but, for all practical purposes, you DO teach it. When some OSAS proponents teach that all FUTURE sins are forgiven, even though Scripture is clear that only PAST sins are forgiven, that says "blank check to sin" and believe me, many are cashing in on it, under the false delusion that once they got saved, they're saved forever and the only thing at stake are their rewards. When I read Scripture, I see an entirely different picture of salvation as painted by OSAS.

Again, you may not believe it but OSAS teaches it.

[SisterT-Enduring2TheEnd]

His Son,

Good questions but I doubt you'll get any BIBLICAL answers from the License to Sin, OSAS doctrine.

Nice attitude. :il:

Thanks. And your hypocrisy is duly noted as I didn't see you give such a cutesy remark to other folks who share my ... uh ... "attitude".

Hypocrisy? I didn't mean it to come off that way. I have replied to others on this topic, before, and there have been attitudes from both sides. I just noticed yours right away when I clicked on the last page of posts here. I try to post in a civil manner, and not throw innuendos at others when they don't believe exactly the same as I do in certain areas, and not accuse them of not believing God's Word, or of not being Christians.

It's been stated many times by those who believe in OSAS, that we do NOT believe in a license to sin, and that phrase just keeps on coming up from the 'other' side, as if that is how we believe, and it is not true.

By the way, welcome.

Thanks for the welcome and my apologies for my attitude.

[Guest Calamity]

No problem. I get attitudes also, but I'm working on it!