Proof that Israel is serious

[Guest shiloh357]

My own personal opinion is that I cannot see how any violence and killing of innocent people let alone children (whatever nationality they may be) can be justified by anyone.

Weather that be by Isralie (sp) or Palestininan (sp) American or Eglish or whoever and whatever ones political/religious or any view is.

We cannot/must not condone participate or support any such violence.

Faith my sister, one must make a moral distinction between terrorism, and defensive countermeasures against terrorism. Both are violent; both result in death; but one is justifiable, the other is not. Israel is operating in a defensive mode. Self defense is justifiable violence. If you were (God forbid) mugged downtown and you attempted to defend yourself against your attacker, would think it fair to be labled as being just as violent as your attacker? Would you think it fair to be charged with crime just because you violently resisted your attacker in order to save your life?

There is a temptation out there to see the Israelis and Palestinians morally equivalent entities, but they are not. It is like comparing the arsonist to the firefighter. The Israeli Jews are literally fighting for survival. There are app. 6 million Jews surrounded by 500 million Muslim Arabs and an additional 450 million non-Arab Muslims world-wide, all of whom are calling for the annihilation of those 6 milllion Jews. The land issues that you see in the news are fake issues. Israel's existance is what is at stake.

One must also make the moral distinction between the deaths of Jewish children and elderly who are intentionally target by Palestinian snipers, and the innocents on the Palestinian side who are accidentally killed when Israel goes after the terrorists. I mean, we make a distinctin between someone who dies in a hospital from the effects of aggressive cancer treatment and someone else who dies because they were intentionally overdosed on a medication by an evil nurse. One is murder, the other is not. So, we are able to make that distinction in other contexts. I am asking others to apply that same distinction within this context as well.

NO military on earth has ever fought a war without civilian casualties. Not even the US military can claim that they have not accidentally killed innocents while fighting terrorism in Afghanistan or Iraq. Maybe if we fought our wars on Mars, we could avoid such unfortuntate casualties.

[Guest yod]

Hey Sista,

Yodetta doesn't like it when the boys tangle either......

Just for you...

I absolutely deplore and condemn the murder of innocent people whether Palestinian or Israeli or Swahili or Zealanders or whatever.....

The distinction has to be made at "innocent" though. I completely support the execution of anyone who has intentionally targeted children for murder.

This IS love...it prevents more innocent people from being killed on either side.

Imagine that someone robs a bank and the cops catch up with him and there is a shootout. If the cops accidently hit someone who will be charged with that death? The criminal is because it would not have occured without the original crime.

Now let's take a look at who is to blame for the death of innocents on both sides in Israel. These terrorists will send their own teenagers to commit suicide though they wouldn't do it themselves. They will stand behind a large crowd of children and fire at Israeli soldiers HOPING that one of their own children is killed for the bad public relations it will cause Israel. The former Israeli ambassador, Golda Meir, once said, "When the Palestinians love their children more than they hate the jews we will finally have peace". This is a very true statement.

They use ambulances to smuggle bombs....and now even ambulances are being held up at checkpoints because they MUST be searched. People die who need to get to the hospital...but what choice does Israel have? Even the very real hardships of checkpoints are caused by the terrorists. Every single time Israel eases the control the PLO shows its willingness to negotiate in good faith by blowing up a pizza parlor or a dance club full of kids.

All you have to do is look at elementary schools in Israel to see the problem. While little jewish and Israeli arab kids are learning to read & write, the Palestinians are teaching 5 and 6 year olds the important life skill of bombmaking. I am NOT exaggerating! They are being trained to kill jews in FIRST GRADE!

Is Israel responsible for that?

Arabs who live peacefully inside of Israel enjoy the highest standard of living, best education, and best economy from Turkey to India. Race has nothing to do with it on the Israeli side.

Even though Arafat is the inventor of hijacking airplanes and other forms of modern terrorism, Smash sees him as a hero because of his relentless attacks on the jews of Israel. Is this character assassination against Smash? Did I choose sides with Arafat or did he?

Again....all he would have to do is unequivocally condemn Palestinian attacks on Israeli citizens to prove me wrong. If he ever does this I will make a plaque for my wall and quote him from now on.

Ephesians 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

[Guest daughterofaking]

I can identify with the Palestinian cause, which is a just one, without condoning their methods.

Yet, whenever you are called on to condemn those methods, you stop posting for days. I have asked you over and over again to condemn terrorism perpetrated against the Israelis. It has been your silence with regard to those methods, while vehemently condemning even the non-lethal methods Israel employs, that leads us to believe that you have no problem with the terrorism perpetrated against the most vulnerable parts of Israeli society.

While I don't agree with idolsmasher's stance on Israel I don't believe he supports Arab suicide bombers killing Israelis.

[Guest yod]

While I don't agree with idolsmasher's stance on Israel I don't believe he supports Arab suicide bombers killing Israelis.

all he would have to do is say so and I'd believe him too...