Jesus's suffering

[reconditioned]

I know that Jesus suffered many horrible things physically but how much of what he went through here was like our spiritual suffering?

I mean, did he always know that he was the christ and that he had a future or nice things waiting for him? Did he always feel that justice would be done? Did he have poor self esteem ever?

Because I know that I'd rather go through what he did physically than live in the spiritual state that I'm in.

As a human being I think that all of us are subject to some things that don't seem likely for Jesus to have suffered. So, I want someone with the Holy Spirit to tell me what to think about this. And please don't say anything unless your channeling the REAL Holy Spirit.

[Smalcald]

I know that Jesus suffered many horrible things physically but how much of what he went through here was like our spiritual suffering?

I mean, did he always know that he was the christ and that he had a future or nice things waiting for him? Did he always feel that justice would be done? Did he have poor self esteem ever?

Because I know that I'd rather go through what he did physically than live in the spiritual state that I'm in.

As a human being I think that all of us are subject to some things that don't seem likely for Jesus to have suffered. So, I want someone with the Holy Spirit to tell me what to think about this. And please don't say anything unless your channeling the REAL Holy Spirit.

The suffering was total; Jesus did not get a reprieve in his psyche. Read the crucifixion accounts, His suffering was not just physical by any means. He was sweating blood, begging God to let Him not have to go through with it, but yet said "your will be done", not mine.

But yeah you have a point; physical suffering is not really the crux of it. Ask anyone who has had their child die, they would tell you that they would gladly suffer and die in that child's place, their suffering is far beyond the merely physical.

[reconditioned]

Did Jesus ever have to live in fear of an eternity he didn't want?

When he wanted to die rather than go through with it, Did he think that he'd be on that cross forever?

Edited February 16, 2007 by reconditioned

[stafy]

Did Jesus ever have to live in fear of an eternity he didn't want?

When he wanted to die rather than go through with it, Did he think that he'd be on that cross forever?

Dude you sreiously need to reconsider your faith ,this is just a DUMB QUESTION . DELETE IT.

[Masked Chris]

I know that Jesus suffered many horrible things physically but how much of what he went through here was like our spiritual suffering?

I mean, did he always know that he was the christ and that he had a future or nice things waiting for him? Did he always feel that justice would be done? Did he have poor self esteem ever?

Because I know that I'd rather go through what he did physically than live in the spiritual state that I'm in.

As a human being I think that all of us are subject to some things that don't seem likely for Jesus to have suffered. So, I want someone with the Holy Spirit to tell me what to think about this. And please don't say anything unless your channeling the REAL Holy Spirit.

Jesus had it rough.... Joseph passed away early on leaving Mary to raise Jesus [along with any other children she may have had] by herself... there are alot of people who have had something similar happen to them in their childhood. And than... he starts his minstry and no one [and I mean no one] will take him seriously... he is dismissed time and time again for being a "blashphemer, demon possessed, crazy, the list goes on". Many people tried to kill him because of his teachings.... one of his greatest freinds handed him over for exucution... under false charges I may add.... his motivation? 30 bucks [can you imagen your best freind killing you because he wanted some spare change?]. At the time of his greatest need... his freinds deserted him and Peter openly denied him. Also than... the cross of course. Yeah... I'd say Jesus had it hard.

Edited February 16, 2007 by Masked Chris

[Masked Chris]

Did Jesus ever have to live in fear of an eternity he didn't want?

now there's an intresting quistion.... we know God doesn't send people to Heaven against their will... but does he send people to Hell against their will? It has always seemed to me that the people who go to heaven desire heaven and the people who go to hell desire hell [though it seems crazy]. God never imposes on someone elses freewill... so if someone doesn't wanna go to Hell... than i doubt they will go. the reason God's children DO go to hell is it seems some people prefer Hell to Heaven.

Edited February 16, 2007 by Masked Chris

[Guest shiloh357]

Did Jesus ever have to live in fear of an eternity he didn't want?

When he wanted to die rather than go through with it, Did he think that he'd be on that cross forever?

No, because Jesus was and is God. The book of Hebrews tells us that Jesus is the one who is created the ages. Jesus is control of everything that happens. He is the architect of the universe. Jesus controls eternity. Eternity will be exactly as Jesus made it to be.

[Smalcald]

Did Jesus ever have to live in fear of an eternity he didn't want?

When he wanted to die rather than go through with it, Did he think that he'd be on that cross forever?

Shilo is correct.

However Christ was also fully human there is no suffering that we feel today that Christ did not feel and overcome.

Now this is a mystery, just as the Trinity is a mystery, fully God, fully human. I would speculate (my personal speculation here not scripture) that it would have been even more horrible for Christ who is God than to us, because He become a human and to have to suffer at the hands of slimy little rotten sinful humans, when He could have, as He said in scripture wipe them out with a nod to His angels, would have been unbearable. Consider becoming an ant, and then letting the worker ants destroy you limb from limb when you had the power to simply crush them with your boot. I can't imagine loving ants that much, but Christ did indeed love us that much.

[reconditioned]

Part of dying that way is a common ailment for humanity. How many of us haven't died from diseases or wild aniamls.

I feel that it may perhapse be harder to live with no reasonable future, once and forever totally dependant on someone way superior to you in every way.

Try never being who you wanted to be, never escaping the shame of who you became. And you know that in all of eternity it'll just be more of the same.

You being someone elses scum underfoot getting way better than they deserve. And if you don't like it, theres plenty of room outside...

But just look at this, how many of you have ever had to know just how little you've got going for you? The best off in this world certainly isn't you and they aren't even going to get any of the things everyone else will have because they're inherently better. For all time you will all have a million people who are just plain, better made than you, And they will deserve to be blessed, they are after all better than you could ever be. More rightous, more like Jesus. Or maybe so different that you could never comprehend being like them.

Jesus, knew his future was worth something if he could trust God. And it is, just look at it. He is someone free. Free to be righous, free to not be under others, free to be more like God than any of us could ever be. And there isn't a thing in the universe and beyond that he doesn't have.

I don't want any future like my past here. To live a better version of what I know. I'll always be who I am. I can't fix that. I don't care if my sins are forgiven or not, I'll alway be who I became here. And I'll always be treated as such.

If you ask me, Jesus might not have known what humanity was on the inside. I don't think he ever will. I don't think he has to.

Humanity, is being flawed beyond all reason from birth, and always getting what you deserve. And thats always less than everyone else gets.

[Floatingaxe]

Part of dying that way is a common ailment for humanity. How many of us haven't died from diseases or wild aniamls.

I feel that it may perhapse be harder to live with no reasonable future, once and forever totally dependant on someone way superior to you in every way.

Try never being who you wanted to be, never escaping the shame of who you became. And you know that in all of eternity it'll just be more of the same.

You being someone elses scum underfoot getting way better than they deserve. And if you don't like it, theres plenty of room outside...

But just look at this, how many of you have ever had to know just how little you've got going for you? The best off in this world certainly isn't you and they aren't even going to get any of the things everyone else will have because they're inherently better. For all time you will all have a million people who are just plain, better made than you, And they will deserve to be blessed, they are after all better than you could ever be. More rightous, more like Jesus. Or maybe so different that you could never comprehend being like them.

Jesus, knew his future was worth something if he could trust God. And it is, just look at it. He is someone free. Free to be righous, free to not be under others, free to be more like God than any of us could ever be. And there isn't a thing in the universe and beyond that he doesn't have.

I don't want any future like my past here. To live a better version of what I know. I'll always be who I am. I can't fix that. I don't care if my sins are forgiven or not, I'll alway be who I became here. And I'll always be treated as such.

If you ask me, Jesus might not have known what humanity was on the inside. I don't think he ever will. I don't think he has to.

Humanity, is being flawed beyond all reason from birth, and always getting what you deserve. And thats always less than everyone else gets.

This is just not right.

Jesus knew more pain, disease and sin than you could ever endure! He bore all of it! He certainly knows what humanity is like on the inside--ugly, vile and sinful and hell-bound!

BUT!! He came to give you abundant life, reconditioned. He came to turn your world upside down and to make you a conqueror---not a victim!

Come to Jesus today, reconditioned. Accept His ransom payment for your ticket to hell! He bore all your pain, sorrow, shame, disease and sins on His own body, so you could be free of it all!

In the natural, we do deserve hellfire. But the supernatural God stepped into history and paid the price--now we can become worthy sons and daughters of the Most High God! Free! Free of sin and degradation! We are now joint-heirs with the One who defeated it all: Jesus Christ!

Come to Him tonight! Nail all your burdensome sin and pain to the Cross, and let Jesus' blood wash you clean!