Lent

[Floatingaxe]

I am not aware of any priest who says, Hmmm that Methodist is not observing lent and therefore has committed mortal sin.

The real question is what would that priest say to one of his own parishoners who chose to not observe Lent, and to fast at another time?

I find it funny, Erich, how you want to keep this on the topic of lent and not the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep bringing up the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

But AGAIN, I will repeat this.

What the Apostles hold binding on Christianity, we should all do, yes?

The Pope and the Bishops are the successors to the apostles, according to Catholic Tradition.

When the Pope and the Bishops hold BOUND that we should fast and abstain on Fridays during lent, and someone deliberately goes against that binding, that person therefore separates him or herself from that which he or she should be holding bound.

This goes against the Apostles. Being that it goes against the apostles, it goes against God. Why? Because Christ said so to the Apostles. Therefore, it is a grave sin to go against the COMMUNITY of the church and still claim to be Catholic.

So yes, it is a mortal sin if you are a Catholic and you deliberately go against that which is held bound on earth and in heaven by the PRECEPTS of the Church.

Lent is part of those precepts. Therefore, if you don't like observing the lent, and feel ousted because that puts sin on your soul, leave the church to feel better about yourself.

Precepts?

What does one do when one wakes up the the fact that they are adhering to precepts held by a cult? As the whole group is in error, the only thing one can do is get out.

[CaritateDei]

I am not aware of any priest who says, Hmmm that Methodist is not observing lent and therefore has committed mortal sin.

The real question is what would that priest say to one of his own parishoners who chose to not observe Lent, and to fast at another time?

I find it funny, Erich, how you want to keep this on the topic of lent and not the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep bringing up the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

But AGAIN, I will repeat this.

What the Apostles hold binding on Christianity, we should all do, yes?

The Pope and the Bishops are the successors to the apostles, according to Catholic Tradition.

When the Pope and the Bishops hold BOUND that we should fast and abstain on Fridays during lent, and someone deliberately goes against that binding, that person therefore separates him or herself from that which he or she should be holding bound.

This goes against the Apostles. Being that it goes against the apostles, it goes against God. Why? Because Christ said so to the Apostles. Therefore, it is a grave sin to go against the COMMUNITY of the church and still claim to be Catholic.

So yes, it is a mortal sin if you are a Catholic and you deliberately go against that which is held bound on earth and in heaven by the PRECEPTS of the Church.

Lent is part of those precepts. Therefore, if you don't like observing the lent, and feel ousted because that puts sin on your soul, leave the church to feel better about yourself.

Precepts?

What does one do when one wakes up the the fact that they are adhering to precepts held by a cult? As the whole group is in error, the only thing one can do is get out.

Precepts held bound by the Apostles. You can go on being non-apostolic, however. That's fine.

[Floatingaxe]

I am not aware of any priest who says, Hmmm that Methodist is not observing lent and therefore has committed mortal sin.

The real question is what would that priest say to one of his own parishoners who chose to not observe Lent, and to fast at another time?

I find it funny, Erich, how you want to keep this on the topic of lent and not the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep bringing up the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

But AGAIN, I will repeat this.

What the Apostles hold binding on Christianity, we should all do, yes?

The Pope and the Bishops are the successors to the apostles, according to Catholic Tradition.

When the Pope and the Bishops hold BOUND that we should fast and abstain on Fridays during lent, and someone deliberately goes against that binding, that person therefore separates him or herself from that which he or she should be holding bound.

This goes against the Apostles. Being that it goes against the apostles, it goes against God. Why? Because Christ said so to the Apostles. Therefore, it is a grave sin to go against the COMMUNITY of the church and still claim to be Catholic.

So yes, it is a mortal sin if you are a Catholic and you deliberately go against that which is held bound on earth and in heaven by the PRECEPTS of the Church.

Lent is part of those precepts. Therefore, if you don't like observing the lent, and feel ousted because that puts sin on your soul, leave the church to feel better about yourself.

Precepts?

What does one do when one wakes up the the fact that they are adhering to precepts held by a cult? As the whole group is in error, the only thing one can do is get out.

Precepts held bound by the Apostles. You can go on being non-apostolic, however. That's fine.

None of the apostles Jesus commissioned ever spoke anything of this tradition of men. When men's traditions are held to such a rigid compliance requirement, we have to wonder about the group...just what spirit is directing it?

[CaritateDei]

I am not aware of any priest who says, Hmmm that Methodist is not observing lent and therefore has committed mortal sin.

The real question is what would that priest say to one of his own parishoners who chose to not observe Lent, and to fast at another time?

I find it funny, Erich, how you want to keep this on the topic of lent and not the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep bringing up the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

But AGAIN, I will repeat this.

What the Apostles hold binding on Christianity, we should all do, yes?

The Pope and the Bishops are the successors to the apostles, according to Catholic Tradition.

When the Pope and the Bishops hold BOUND that we should fast and abstain on Fridays during lent, and someone deliberately goes against that binding, that person therefore separates him or herself from that which he or she should be holding bound.

This goes against the Apostles. Being that it goes against the apostles, it goes against God. Why? Because Christ said so to the Apostles. Therefore, it is a grave sin to go against the COMMUNITY of the church and still claim to be Catholic.

So yes, it is a mortal sin if you are a Catholic and you deliberately go against that which is held bound on earth and in heaven by the PRECEPTS of the Church.

Lent is part of those precepts. Therefore, if you don't like observing the lent, and feel ousted because that puts sin on your soul, leave the church to feel better about yourself.

Precepts?

What does one do when one wakes up the the fact that they are adhering to precepts held by a cult? As the whole group is in error, the only thing one can do is get out.

Precepts held bound by the Apostles. You can go on being non-apostolic, however. That's fine.

None of the apostles Jesus commissioned ever spoke anything of this tradition of men. When men's traditions are held to such a rigid compliance requirement, we have to wonder about the group...just what spirit is directing it?

They fasted. The Apostles also fasted every Friday after Jesus' death. You call the RCC's rigid for wanting to do it 7 days out of the year? Wow.

[EricH]

I am not aware of any priest who says, Hmmm that Methodist is not observing lent and therefore has committed mortal sin.

The real question is what would that priest say to one of his own parishoners who chose to not observe Lent, and to fast at another time?

I find it funny, Erich, how you want to keep this on the topic of lent and not the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep bringing up the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

But AGAIN, I will repeat this.

What the Apostles hold binding on Christianity, we should all do, yes?

The Pope and the Bishops are the successors to the apostles, according to Catholic Tradition.

When the Pope and the Bishops hold BOUND that we should fast and abstain on Fridays during lent, and someone deliberately goes against that binding, that person therefore separates him or herself from that which he or she should be holding bound.

This goes against the Apostles. Being that it goes against the apostles, it goes against God. Why? Because Christ said so to the Apostles. Therefore, it is a grave sin to go against the COMMUNITY of the church and still claim to be Catholic.

So yes, it is a mortal sin if you are a Catholic and you deliberately go against that which is held bound on earth and in heaven by the PRECEPTS of the Church.

Lent is part of those precepts. Therefore, if you don't like observing the lent, and feel ousted because that puts sin on your soul, leave the church to feel better about yourself.

No,

Actually I did not want this to be about the Catholic church. But, there was some fuzziness here about whether Lent is just "helpful guidance" or mandatory. You have made it clear, it seems to me, that for the Catholic, Lent is mandatory, and not keeping it would be a mortal sin. (although KD seemed to be indicating that was not the case - that the church was just offering "guidance" and an "opportunity" to fast)

This ties to the original topic. No one here has an issue with fasting as prescribed by the bible. But since Lent itself is in no place prescribed in scripture, many of us here are uncomfortable here with making that specific observance mandatory in God's eyes and sinful if not adhered to.

But thanks for clearing that up for us in terms of what the church really teaches about it. I was confused as I was hearing some say it was a mortal sin, and some saying it was not.

[CaritateDei]

Quoting the Bible alone as the basis of your entire faith...in my mind, makes God above us chuckle a bit. He has given us so much more knowledge and guidance through the greats of history. He has given us so much more knowledge through Science.

There is reward in the Good book. There are many other Good Books in my opinion that all Christians should read so that they do not make baseless comments support by one or two sentences in one book.

"To be steeped in history is to cease"...being ignorant.

[Floatingaxe]

I am not aware of any priest who says, Hmmm that Methodist is not observing lent and therefore has committed mortal sin.

The real question is what would that priest say to one of his own parishoners who chose to not observe Lent, and to fast at another time?

I find it funny, Erich, how you want to keep this on the topic of lent and not the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep bringing up the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

But AGAIN, I will repeat this.

What the Apostles hold binding on Christianity, we should all do, yes?

The Pope and the Bishops are the successors to the apostles, according to Catholic Tradition.

When the Pope and the Bishops hold BOUND that we should fast and abstain on Fridays during lent, and someone deliberately goes against that binding, that person therefore separates him or herself from that which he or she should be holding bound.

This goes against the Apostles. Being that it goes against the apostles, it goes against God. Why? Because Christ said so to the Apostles. Therefore, it is a grave sin to go against the COMMUNITY of the church and still claim to be Catholic.

So yes, it is a mortal sin if you are a Catholic and you deliberately go against that which is held bound on earth and in heaven by the PRECEPTS of the Church.

Lent is part of those precepts. Therefore, if you don't like observing the lent, and feel ousted because that puts sin on your soul, leave the church to feel better about yourself.

Precepts?

What does one do when one wakes up the the fact that they are adhering to precepts held by a cult? As the whole group is in error, the only thing one can do is get out.

Precepts held bound by the Apostles. You can go on being non-apostolic, however. That's fine.

None of the apostles Jesus commissioned ever spoke anything of this tradition of men. When men's traditions are held to such a rigid compliance requirement, we have to wonder about the group...just what spirit is directing it?

They fasted. The Apostles also fasted every Friday after Jesus' death. You call the RCC's rigid for wanting to do it 7 days out of the year? Wow.

Of course they fasted. So do we. Where does it say they fasted every Friday in the Word of God? I really would like to know.

I am waiting...

[EricH]

Quoting the Bible alone as the basis of your entire faith...in my mind, makes God above us chuckle a bit. He has given us so much more knowledge and guidance through the greats of history. He has given us so much more knowledge through Science.

There is reward in the Good book. There are many other Good Books in my opinion that all Christians should read so that they do not make baseless comments support by one or two sentences in one book.

"To be steeped in history is to cease"...being ignorant.

Unless you have actually seen God chuckle, I would be cautions in speaking for Him in terms of HIs attitude towards the scriptures. You are correct that there are many good books. But only one is infallable, inerrant, and the very words of God. I read all kinds of books, but only one is authoritative, becasue it contains the very words of God.

But this is off topic. Back to Lent please

[Iryssa]

Okay, back to Lent it is. *grin*

I'm so glad it's Lent. It's really been a big help to me in my spiritual life so far this year.

[Scarletprayers]

Okay, back to Lent it is. *grin*

I'm so glad it's Lent. It's really been a big help to me in my spiritual life so far this year.

How Iryssa??? I really thought about doing the fasting this year, but............. , then I didn't. How does it help you exactly, you can pm me if you want to so your answer doesn't get jumped on.