14-year-old Texas girl gets 7 years in prison for shoving hall monitor

[Scarletprayers]

no, but i thought about sending one of my kids there!

seriously... juvie may be full of children who have committed crimes, some of them vicious crimes, some of them nonviolent crimes, but it is NOT the same as being in a prison full of ADULT offenders.

this child committed a crime. i think 7 years is excessive. but i don't think sending her to juvie was excessive at all.

If you haven't had a child in juvie, you don't know that. The only difference between them and their adult counterparts is age, nothing more. You send a child thats acting up, and already headed down the wrong path to juvie, and they LEARN, to be the victim, and then as they get older to make the younger or weaker ones their victmins. 7 years in that enviroment almost promises to turn out a 21 year old, that is MUCH older, wiser (street wise that is) and probably more evil, than when she went in. I have no problem with her being punished, she deserves to be, and maybe a six months or so would scare her straight, but 7 years will make her even more of what she already is.

[Guest LadyC]

my point is that the criminals in juvie are ALL KIDS. you are (intentionally or UNintentionally) giving people the impression that this kid, who IS A CRIMINAL, is unfairly being sentenced to doing hard time with adult criminals.

the kid committed a crime.

by the way, are you just intentionally avoiding answering the questions that i asked directly of you?

[Scarletprayers]

my point is that the criminals in juvie are ALL KIDS. you are (intentionally or UNintentionally) giving people the impression that this kid, who IS A CRIMINAL, is unfairly being sentenced to doing hard time with adult criminals.

the kid committed a crime.

by the way, are you just intentionally avoiding answering the questions that i asked directly of you?

No I'm not I intentionally said JUVIE every time I answered you. What question evidently I missed it?

[Guest LadyC]

my point is that the criminals in juvie are ALL KIDS. you are (intentionally or UNintentionally) giving people the impression that this kid, who IS A CRIMINAL, is unfairly being sentenced to doing hard time with adult criminals.

the kid committed a crime.

by the way, are you just intentionally avoiding answering the questions that i asked directly of you?

No I'm not I intentionally said JUVIE every time I answered you. What question evidently I missed it?

i'm reposting the entire post that i made.

silentprayer, i have to ask...

if an adult shoved a cop, or a bailiff, or any other public official, would you consider it to be 'just a shove' or would you consider it to be an assault?

if a husband in a drunken rage shoved his wife, would you consider it just a push, or an assault?

what the girl did was a criminal act, and it was certainly not the first time she'd been a disciplinary problem at the school.

it could be that the JUDGE was a racist. but i don't know that to be a fact. it's a possibility. if he was the same judge that gave the girl probation for burning her house down, then it certainly smells like a rat.... and i've already said that the judge who gave the girl probation for arson wasn't any more worthy of sitting on the bench than a rat.

but... she was not put in JAIL. she was put in JUVIE. please recognize that saying 'jail' or 'prison' implies something far more extreme than it is and paints a picture that makes public perception to be far worse than what is. the girl is not in jail with a bunch of adult offenders.

but that article paints the entire town, and worse, the entire state, as being racist in the judicial system, and that is a load of crap.

[Scarletprayers]

silentprayer, i have to ask...

if an adult shoved a cop, or a bailiff, or any other public official, would you consider it to be 'just a shove' or would you consider it to be an assault?

if a husband in a drunken rage shoved his wife, would you consider it just a push, or an assault?

what the girl did was a criminal act, and it was certainly not the first time she'd been a disciplinary problem at the school.

it could be that the JUDGE was a racist. but i don't know that to be a fact. it's a possibility. if he was the same judge that gave the girl probation for burning her house down, then it certainly smells like a rat.... and i've already said that the judge who gave the girl probation for arson wasn't any more worthy of sitting on the bench than a rat.

but... she was not put in JAIL. she was put in JUVIE. please recognize that saying 'jail' or 'prison' implies something far more extreme than it is and paints a picture that makes public perception to be far worse than what is. the girl is not in jail with a bunch of adult offenders.

but that article paints the entire town, and worse, the entire state, as being racist in the judicial system, and that is a load of crap.

Are all of these what your talking about???

1) yes its and assult but still not worthy of 7 years in jail

2) yes its and assult but still not worthy of 7 years in jail

and you can call it juvie all you want, its still JAIL

[Guest LadyC]

ok, so silentprayer, are we in agreement that the LENGTH of the sentence was extreme in our opinions, but that the girl committed a CRIME deserving of incarceration for a lesser time?

[Scarletprayers]

ok, so silentprayer, are we in agreement that the LENGTH of the sentence was extreme in our opinions, but that the girl committed a CRIME deserving of incarceration for a lesser time?

I said that, in my post #21.

[Scarletprayers]

She was a punk kid...raised by a punk mom...with no RESPECT for authority. I don't care WHO she is, or what she looks like. The ONLY racism in this story is a bunch of people of one race dressing up like Black Panthers and marching in front of the courthouse to protest a judge from another race...who apparently wasn't raised to be a public nuisance and made something of his life.

If my kids EVER assault somebody they better hope for jail time. Of course, my kids are raised to respect people and to listen to authority. This kid attacked a man for telling her she couldn't enter the school early...I don't feel one IOTA of pitty for her.

I sincerely hope none of your children ever get into trouble. You can raise them all you want, sometimes that doesn't stop them from doing things you would never want them to do, and you know what, even if you agree with the courts, you still love them.

[Guest LadyC]

ok, so silentprayer, are we in agreement that the LENGTH of the sentence was extreme in our opinions, but that the girl committed a CRIME deserving of incarceration for a lesser time?

I said that, in my post #21.

can we also agree that using the term "jail" conjures up images in most people's minds that the girl was locked up with adults rather than in a "jail for youth offenders" otherwise known as juvie hall? that is my objection to the term jail. yes, i realize that juvie is a "jail", but it is not the same "jail" as what is commonly associated with a regular jail. people are jumping to the incorrect conclusion that she is locked up with adult offenders.

[Guest Biblicist]

I'd hate to live in your household, Biblicist. Sixteen lashes for not doing the dishes, probably. And there would be no TV. (Judging from the random "liberal media" comment.)

I find this comment so funny. You don't believe that crimes should be punished?

There are plenty of things on TV that have nothing to do with the Liberal Media.

I hate to say it, but if that girl was a rich white girl, she would have gotten away with it.

She absolutly would have because rich people can afford lawyers who can get them off for the worst crimes. Her skin color does not matter though, again. Hello! OJ Simson!

We do not know all the details in this case, only what the Liberal Media has reported, notice how the NAACP has jumped in there! Did this girl have a record of violence? She may have, and been before this judge before. We have no idea what her previous life or record looks like. She may be a repeat offender.

All that said, I do think that 7 years in juvie is too much for a push. The punishment should fit the crime. The father of my son's friend, last year, was constantly threatening to send his son to Juvie. It was heartbreaking to hear the way he talked about it as if it was the corner of the room, instead of something more serious.